GDT ***Playoffs Rd1 GAME 4 GDT 4/28/24 7:30pm on BSW, TBS, TRU, max***

They’ve been extremely unfortunate that they’ve basically missed on every 2nd round pick after 2010 (Toffoli). The two exceptions are Erik Cernak (traded) and Brock Faber (traded). Lol.

If you aren’t hitting home runs with every 1st round pick (7 total 1st round picks from 2011-2023) and you’re striking out with your 2nds. Then all the singles and doubles you hit in Rounds 3-7 are a lot less impactful.
Yeah, we've had too many singles and doubles. That being said, there might be a solid group of kids and vets to build a team around. I just don't trust the current leadership to build that team. Bite the bullet and buy out PLD.

Keep:
Moore, Juice, Phil, QB, Fiala, Dewey, Kopi, Spence, Mikey, Gavy, Laff, Rittich (solid cheap backup)

Grey area:
Grundstrom (could be a solid 4th line grinder), Arvy (would have to take lower money and term)

See ya:
Lizzo, PLD, Lewis, Englund, Roy (can't afford him)

Adds:
Turc, Thomas, Clarke

Shopping List:
LD, Center (PLD replacement), #1 Goalie

Possible Lineup (not sure if this is enough to take the next step though):

QB-Kopi-Kempe (could Kopi move to 3C?)
Moore-Phil-FA
Fiala-FAC3-Laff (if Kopi is 3C, you're going after a 1C UFA)
Thomas-Turcotte-Grundstrom

Mikey-Dewey
Gavy-Spence
LDFA-Clarke

Goalie 1
Rittich
 
Yeah, we've had too many singles and doubles. That being said, there might be a solid group of kids and vets to build a team around. I just don't trust the current leadership to build that team. Bite the bullet and buy out PLD.

Keep:
Moore, Juice, Phil, QB, Fiala, Dewey, Kopi, Spence, Mikey, Gavy, Laff, Rittich (solid cheap backup)

Grey area:
Grundstrom (could be a solid 4th line grinder), Arvy (would have to take lower money and term)

See ya:
Lizzo, PLD, Lewis, Englund, Roy (can't afford him)

Adds:
Turc, Thomas, Clarke

Shopping List:
LD, Center (PLD replacement), #1 Goalie

Possible Lineup (not sure if this is enough to take the next step though):

QB-Kopi-Kempe (could Kopi move to 3C?)
Moore-Phil-FA
Fiala-FAC3-Laff (if Kopi is 3C, you're going after a 1C UFA)
Thomas-Turcotte-Grundstrom

Mikey-Dewey
Gavy-Spence
LDFA-Clarke

Goalie 1
Rittich
I really wish some media member with access to the Kings scouting dept. would ask about the 2nd round failures over the last 13 drafts. It’s kind of amazing how consistently bad they’ve been at developing 2nd round picks.

2019 was a particularly disastrous draft for the org. 4 picks in the top 50! Players drafted that year are about 22/23 years old right now and they should be beating down the door of the NHL roster ready to make an impact, helping to carry the franchise post Kopitar/Doughty.

What ended up happening was Turcotte was a miss @ 5. Bjornfot was a miss @ 22. Kaliyev was a miss @ 33 and Fagemo was a miss @ 50. Spence @ 95 was a clear win. But they whiffed on too many high end players in that draft in particular.
 
I really wish some media member with access to the Kings scouting dept. would ask about the 2nd round failures over the last 13 drafts. It’s kind of amazing how consistently bad they’ve been at developing 2nd round picks.

2019 was a particularly disastrous draft for the org. 4 picks in the top 50! Players drafted that year are about 22/23 years old right now and they should be beating down the door of the NHL roster ready to make an impact, helping to carry the franchise post Kopitar/Doughty.

What ended up happening was Turcotte was a miss @ 5. Bjornfot was a miss @ 22. Kaliyev was a miss @ 33 and Fagemo was a miss @ 50. Spence @ 95 was a clear win. But they whiffed on too many high end players in that draft in particular.
100% but I think the "ask the tough questions" ship has sailed. I still think Turcotte can be a solid 4th liner but clearly a miss at 5...whether that was a talent miss or a function of too many concussions, I'm not totally sure. I believe that I read that Yanetti wanted either Zegras or Caulfield over Turcotte but Blake overruled him? Could have had Cozens as well. All that being said, would any of those guys been overly successful in the Kings system? Even if the Kings would have taken Stutzle over QB, I'm not sure the former would have the numbers he put up with the Sens.

And for all the praise Yanetti gets, ultimately that 2019 draft could be his big miss overall.
 
Wow...the Kings went from a team with the best prospects to "bleak" in, what, 2 years? How did that happen?

I think the development staff needs an over-haul but that's difficult when they are ex-playing buddies with the GM.

Also, remember the Kings lost their assistant GM Futa and their goalie coach Ranford (who is now in a more hands-off role now). I don't know how much hurt the team but something is different....

jom
I'd love to see Futa hired as new GM
 
Whether they got blown out, or they did great and allowed only one goal, the result is still the same on the scoresheet, loss. Ugh. the Oilers are much faster and way more gritty. They always seem to end up with the the puck in a 1 on 1 battle. Gonna be a long summer.
Yeah, and considering that I'm also an Angels fan it's going to be a rather ugly one too.

~ArkyKingsFan~
 
Yeah, we've had too many singles and doubles. That being said, there might be a solid group of kids and vets to build a team around. I just don't trust the current leadership to build that team. Bite the bullet and buy out PLD.

Keep:
Moore, Juice, Phil, QB, Fiala, Dewey, Kopi, Spence, Mikey, Gavy, Laff, Rittich (solid cheap backup)

Grey area:
Grundstrom (could be a solid 4th line grinder), Arvy (would have to take lower money and term)

See ya:
Lizzo, PLD, Lewis, Englund, Roy (can't afford him)

Adds:
Turc, Thomas, Clarke

Shopping List:
LD, Center (PLD replacement), #1 Goalie

Possible Lineup (not sure if this is enough to take the next step though):

QB-Kopi-Kempe (could Kopi move to 3C?)
Moore-Phil-FA
Fiala-FAC3-Laff (if Kopi is 3C, you're going after a 1C UFA)
Thomas-Turcotte-Grundstrom

Mikey-Dewey
Gavy-Spence
LDFA-Clarke

Goalie 1
Rittich
This is all great, but you messed up. 😁 You should have started making these move at the deadline. We could have received something back for Roy and Arvy. Some much needed draft pics, and/or top prospects. Oh well.

PLD needs to be traded, wait.... back up.... PLD should never have been acquired. Now that he is here he needs to go. PLD is over paid for what he provides. So is Gavy. The last two Big Blake trades did not work out. Blake over pays to sign both Gavy and PLD. This team is going to be in cap hell for a while and moving PLD would be a huge move to open up some much needed $.

It better be an interesting early offseason this year.

I wonder what Doughty is going to say in his exit interview this time?
 
Last I heard he was the Special Assistant to Don Waddell in Carolina. That was in 2022.

If there’s a GM search he needs to get an interview. Same with Yannetti.

No way man, never. No chance. Their names are not in the rafters at Crypto. Gotta be in the club. 😁
 
This is all great, but you messed up. 😁 You should have started making these move at the deadline. We could have received something back for Roy and Arvy. Some much needed draft pics, and/or top prospects. Oh well.
No doubt...but somehow, management thought that a fully healthy team could compete with Edmonton, Colorado, Vegas and Dallas...not to mention the teams in the East.
 
No doubt...but somehow, management thought that a fully healthy team could compete with Edmonton, Colorado, Vegas and Dallas...not to mention the teams in the East.

I am not sure they though the team could compete. That could be part of it. The other part could be that Blake probably had his hands tied and could not make any moves that did not include moving PLD. (if the PLD to Boston rumor is true). Someone brought this possibility up during the deadline. It kind of makes sense. With all that Blake has done the past two years and the current state of the team, he probably had his hands tied, so he could not make things worse.
 
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I’m coming around to the idea that a new on-ice approach from the top down could serve the organization better than any sort of rebuild. A new 2nd d-pairing is a must for me. Gavrikov and Roy are excellent regular season players. Over an 82 game time span they’re valuable.

When you shrink the window to a 7 game series their value is significantly less apparent. Notice how all the fans obsessed with size and physicality on the back end are very quiet after these four games. Size and physicality will always have a place in the game but we’re staring at the limitations right now down 3-1.

Give me puck movers. I really don’t give a sh*t how big they are. Play Clarke 82 games next season. And it’s probably time to move on from small forwards who don’t have that initial burst in foot speed. That burst gets you around and in between defenders causing havok. Straight line speed over a long distance is far less valuable once you’ve entered the offensive zone.
Clarke got into a couple fights this year. Not mature enough to face Mark Stone yet (hopefully never, really), but he’s 6’2” and has a feisty side.

The second pair is a conundrum. I don’t want to see Blake/new GM pay Gavy anymore than he’s making, and since he’s only on a two year deal he’ll look for a raise. At that point I’d rather trade him and pay Roy. I floated the idea of trading Spence for Chychrun in that scenario as I believe that would get it done. Add-ons would be minimal.

I like it as it adds a puck mover on the left. Problem is of course what Chychrun demands next contract just one year from now. Also Spence is more of a successor to Doughty in style than Clarke. Spence and Clarke both in their prime will be an impressive right side.

Again, this team was simply not ready for the big push forward. A top-down approach with management and a coach who understands that is crucial. Perhaps Blake learned his lesson this year, but PLD feels like strike 3 regarding his judgment after Kovalchuck and Peterson.
 
Clarke got into a couple fights this year. Not mature enough to face Mark Stone yet (hopefully never, really), but he’s 6’2” and has a feisty side.

The second pair is a conundrum. I don’t want to see Blake/new GM pay Gavy anymore than he’s making, and since he’s only on a two year deal he’ll look for a raise. At that point I’d rather trade him and pay Roy. I floated the idea of trading Spence for Chychrun in that scenario as I believe that would get it done. Add-ons would be minimal.

I like it as it adds a puck mover on the left. Problem is of course what Chychrun demands next contract just one year from now. Also Spence is more of a successor to Doughty in style than Clarke. Spence and Clarke both in their prime will be an impressive right side.

Again, this team was simply not ready for the big push forward. A top-down approach with management and a coach who understands that is crucial. Perhaps Blake learned his lesson this year, but PLD feels like strike 3 regarding his judgment after Kovalchuck and Peterson.
A lot of this is correct I think.
Gavrikov and Roy have not been good in this series. But both were good during the season.
I’m not sure how much I value Spence moving forward. His lack of size and strength are concerning. I do like that he is mobile.

So much of the off-season depends on who the GM is. Is it an overhaul or just nipping around the edges.

Re PLD, I have felt all along that strategically it was a bold and smart move to have depth at C. I think I understand why Blake made the trade.
It has not turned out well. It’s like in baseball where they sacrifice or hit & run, and it doesn’t work out. The strategy was sound, the execution was the issue.

I like Hiller. I think he’s committed and clear-eyed. I think Blake has made several good moves. I don’t care whatsoever if either return or are let go.

I see a lot of the “Fire Blake!” And “Get rid of Luc!” I laugh, particularly with Luc—He’s not there for his hockey knowledge, he’s there for the PR and relationships with people and groups the Kings work with.

I don’t know what happens between now and next year. A full rebuild while Kopi & Doughty are still here seems unlikely. Getting rid of dead weight seems obvious.

What I suspect will happen is an attempt to move PLD in a trade. I’m hopeful that perhaps a deal for Chychrun is possible with PLD as the centerpiece.

I hope Arvy can stay. He’s hard to replace.
I think Roy is worth retaining but not on a foolish contract. Clarke has to be in the lineup and either Roy or Spence will be gone.

I think and hope we have seen the last of Grundstrom, Lewis, Talbot, Lizzotte (respect his play but he’s gonna get killed someday), and Kaliyev.

If trading PLD creates some needed cap space the Kings can get better.

As I said I’m not tied to Blake or Hiller. My main concern is what happens if they are fired? Who replaces Blake? Who is brought in to coach? I don’t want to see Hiller fired to bring in a recycled coach.
These are the hard parts. Fire Blake! Is the easy part. Replacing him is the trickier part and that’s what bothers me about the situation.
 
guys, gals, you are all talking like this series is over. Last I checked there is still a game on Wednesday. It is not over! Let's have this converstation on Thursday okay?
 
A lot of this is correct I think.
Gavrikov and Roy have not been good in this series. But both were good during the season.
I’m not sure how much I value Spence moving forward. His lack of size and strength are concerning. I do like that he is mobile.

So much of the off-season depends on who the GM is. Is it an overhaul or just nipping around the edges.

Re PLD, I have felt all along that strategically it was a bold and smart move to have depth at C. I think I understand why Blake made the trade.
It has not turned out well. It’s like in baseball where they sacrifice or hit & run, and it doesn’t work out. The strategy was sound, the execution was the issue.

I like Hiller. I think he’s committed and clear-eyed. I think Blake has made several good moves. I don’t care whatsoever if either return or are let go.

I see a lot of the “Fire Blake!” And “Get rid of Luc!” I laugh, particularly with Luc—He’s not there for his hockey knowledge, he’s there for the PR and relationships with people and groups the Kings work with.

I don’t know what happens between now and next year. A full rebuild while Kopi & Doughty are still here seems unlikely. Getting rid of dead weight seems obvious.

What I suspect will happen is an attempt to move PLD in a trade. I’m hopeful that perhaps a deal for Chychrun is possible with PLD as the centerpiece.

I hope Arvy can stay. He’s hard to replace.
I think Roy is worth retaining but not on a foolish contract. Clarke has to be in the lineup and either Roy or Spence will be gone.

I think and hope we have seen the last of Grundstrom, Lewis, Talbot, Lizzotte (respect his play but he’s gonna get killed someday), and Kaliyev.

If trading PLD creates some needed cap space the Kings can get better.

As I said I’m not tied to Blake or Hiller. My main concern is what happens if they are fired? Who replaces Blake? Who is brought in to coach? I don’t want to see Hiller fired to bring in a recycled coach.
These are the hard parts. Fire Blake! Is the easy part. Replacing him is the trickier part and that’s what bothers me about the situation.
I'm most sad about Kaliyev, really thought he had the market scoring touch that we've been lacking for so many years.

apparently coaching sees him as one dimensional and a liability defensively?

I can see him going to another team and put in the proper role prospering. Time will tell.
 
I'm most sad about Kaliyev, really thought he had the market scoring touch that we've been lacking for so many years.

apparently coaching sees him as one dimensional and a liability defensively?

I can see him going to another team and put in the proper role prospering. Time will tell.
I think the same could be said for Fagemo. He's clearly a scoring machine at the AHL level but if a team that needs scoring isn't bringing him up and putting him in a situation to score, they clearly have other issues with his game.
 
guys, gals, you are all talking like this series is over. Last I checked there is still a game on Wednesday. It is not over! Let's have this converstation on Thursday okay?

I'm most sad about Kaliyev, really thought he had the market scoring touch that we've been lacking for so many years.

apparently coaching sees him as one dimensional and a liability defensively?

I can see him going to another team and put in the proper role prospering. Time will tell.
Yeah. It’s disappointing because we heard so much hype about Artie and the elite-level shot.
I don’t know what the issues are but it’s pretty obvious the that he hasn’t fit the system.
As someone posted recently maybe you keep him since he has no trade value in the hope that he can rejuvenate his career. But it’s a mystery.
 
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