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About This Page: This is a discussion on Other Sports within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by SmytheKing
I can't either. I'm a big fan of his, but I honestly still don't see him winning that fight. I watched it two more times and
I can't either. I'm a big fan of his, but I honestly still don't see him winning that fight. I watched it two more times and I just can't understand it. Round two? Sure. Maybe another? Ok. At best I could give him two rounds. It just didn't seem like he did anything more than Rampage and, when fighting for the belt, you gotta beat the guy. He just didn't do it.
Round 2 I think was a clear 10-8 round for Forrest. So if you give Forrest another round it's basically a draw.
I think round 3 could have gone either way. 4 was a clear Rampage round. I think Forrest was winning round 1 until he got dropped.
Round 5 I gave to Forrest. I think he out hustled Rampage in that round.
I don't really buy into the whole theory of "you have to take the belt from the champion". Forrest had the most dominant round of the entire fight, and of the rounds he could have lost only round 4 was a dominant Rampage round.
I think the fight was closer than the scores indicate, but I do think Forrest winning was a fair result.
I don't like immediate rematches, but I wouldn't mind one in this case.
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Round 2 I think was a clear 10-8 round for Forrest. So if you give Forrest another round it's basically a draw.
I think round 3 could have gone either way. 4 was a clear Rampage round. I think Forrest was winning round 1 until he got dropped.
Round 5 I gave to Forrest. I think he out hustled Rampage in that round.
I don't really buy into the whole theory of "you have to take the belt from the champion". Forrest had the most dominant round of the entire fight, and of the rounds he could have lost only round 4 was a dominant Rampage round.
I think the fight was closer than the scores indicate, but I do think Forrest winning was a fair result.
I don't like immediate rematches, but I wouldn't mind one in this case.
I agree that the fight was closer than the scores indicated too. It's another example of having to do something about the 10 point must system.
As far as the 10-8 round, I don't know man. Forrest controlled the entire round sure, but did he do anything of note during it? He had Rampage mounted, but wouldn't posture up because of the fear of being bucked off. All he did was land shots that he could have if he was in full guard. If someone sat in guard for two minutes, they would have been stood up. It's my same thought about takedowns. If you get one, and fail to do anything with it, it shouldn't be counted for much. Forrest had a DOMINANT position for two minutes, and didn't even come close to finishing. Can you think of any other time where you've seen someone in mount for that long and they didn't land any dangerous shots?
I think the judges went for the overall control and aggression. I thin Forrest won it clean, not all rounds of course ...but clean. I don't think Jackson had a problem with it, I think he knows he got beat. Either way, great fight!
Wow. Just...wow. Congrats to Forrest. I had Forrest winning rounds 2, 3 & 5. But seriously, what was that judge watching that scored it 49-46 for Forrest?
ASU is right, round 4 was definitely Rampage, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "dominant." Forrest was the one going for the takedown, not Rampage, Page was just able to end up on top. Forrest did a great job of controlling Rampage's wrists to avoid any real damage due to GNP, he had the triangle attempt which was locked in tight, and when Rampage went for the slam, Forrest more or less nullified it. Then Forrest almost had the omoplata. Rampage did a great job of avoiding the submissions, and did land some GNP, so I gave him the round, but Forrest wasn't just sitting there taking it.
Smythe, Forrest did attempt a couple of americana's when he was in the mount as well.
Wow. Just...wow. Congrats to Forrest. I had Forrest winning rounds 2, 3 & 5. But seriously, what was that judge watching that scored it 49-46 for Forrest?
ASU is right, round 4 was definitely Rampage, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "dominant." Forrest was the one going for the takedown, not Rampage, Page was just able to end up on top. Forrest did a great job of controlling Rampage's wrists to avoid any real damage due to GNP, he had the triangle attempt which was locked in tight, and when Rampage went for the slam, Forrest more or less nullified it. Then Forrest almost had the omoplata. Rampage did a great job of avoiding the submissions, and did land some GNP, so I gave him the round, but Forrest wasn't just sitting there taking it.
Smythe, Forrest did attempt a couple of americana's when he was in the mount as well.
I guess my overall thought is that, even though Forrest did what he did in the mount, there was never any danger of Rampage losing. None of the punches were doing a lot of damage, and he sub attempts from there weren't too much of a threat either. So, if Forrest gets credit for nullifying a slam, doesn't Rampage get any for nullifying the sub attempts? I'm just saying that I don't think that is a 10-8 round is all. No doubt Forrest won it, just not by that score.
For me though, that fight is too close to call, but if I had to pick it, I'd still say Rampage. By a hair, but still. Part of me thinks I'm saying that because Forrest had a guy with a busted knee middle of the second round and didn't really press the fight after that. Maybe I was disappointed.
FYI, as of today, still $50 seats available for the Affliction show. I've got my tickets (and plan to move down if they don't already force me to), but I still say this will be a monumental failure financially.
Terrible, there have been so many BS decisions lately. Gotta give credit to Rampage for not bitching about it. The fight was definitely much closer than the scorecards indicated.
The judge that gave Forrest 4 rounds needs his eyes examined.
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FYI, as of today, still $50 seats available for the Affliction show. I've got my tickets (and plan to move down if they don't already force me to), but I still say this will be a monumental failure financially.
Wel, granted, I don't live in Southern California, but I haven't seen or heard of any advertising being done apart from some banners on MMA websites.
Wel, granted, I don't live in Southern California, but I haven't seen or heard of any advertising being done apart from some banners on MMA websites.
There's actually a billboard that I saw (in Los Angeles) advertising for it. I've also seen a handful of posters at bus stops. That's about it though. It seems to be relying on word of mouth and, when you're not very big and you're spending a LOT of money on the event, that's not the best strategy in my opinion.
Yeah. I saw that yesterday too. Makes no sense to me as I thought that round was even up until Rampage dropped Forrest. The only way that is a fair call is if they thought Forrest was winning that round and the punch didn't end up putting Forrest in any danger. If that's the case though, how can you give Forrest round 2 at a 10-8 score?
I guess my overall thought is that, even though Forrest did what he did in the mount, there was never any danger of Rampage losing. None of the punches were doing a lot of damage, and he sub attempts from there weren't too much of a threat either. So, if Forrest gets credit for nullifying a slam, doesn't Rampage get any for nullifying the sub attempts? I'm just saying that I don't think that is a 10-8 round is all. No doubt Forrest won it, just not by that score.
Regarding the 10-8 round. What you're not bringing up is the fact that Rampage did nothing offensive in the round. Nothing whatsoever. When you get basically knocked down via leg kicks and mounted, you have to do something to earn a 10-9.
Similar to the first round, it wasn't 10-9 because Forrest had some offense prior to getting knocked down. Rampage did NADA in round 2. No he doens't get credit for nullifying sub defenses, his credit is he didn't lose via submission. If he had landed 5 punches it could have been 10-9. But he did nothing AND got dominated so it was a 10-8.
Haven't done a post fight matchmaking in awhile and this card seemed like a good one to do so here goes.
Winners
Forest Griffin
This one is pretty simple for me. Because the fight was so close and in other people's eyes controversial an immediate rematch is in store. Juanito has said that he asked for the immediate rematch in the ring and he was told that it will happen. I think that's the right move for the UFC. It was a close fight and I don't think there is a contender lined up. The two closest are Lyoto and probably Chuck. In fact I would like to see those two scrap rather than Chuck and Evans. But since that didn't happen a Lyoto-Shogun fight or Lyoto-Wanderlei fight would be fine with me and that would make sense.
Patrick Cote
I think Dana had said that the winner of Cote-Almeida would get Anderson Silva. I don't think that makes much sense but Silva has seemingly cleaned out 185 and a Silva-Cote fight would be pretty exciting for the first few minutes until Cote gets knocked out. I don't think he deserves a title shot, I think Yushin Okami deserves one more, I think those two should fight, to fight Anderson Silva, but I think Dana likes the probability of the fireworks that could happen in a Silva-Cote fight.
Joe Stevenson
Best guillotine in the game? I think so, Joe Daddy can seemingly get his guillotine out of nowhere to end fights. Tibau was getting the better of Joe in the fight but got sloppy and was caught. Stevenson is a talented fighter, it's easy to forget how young he is because he's had so many fights. Stevenson's next fight should be against a top 10 guy. I would like to see him fight the loser of Florian-Huerta or even Sherk.
Josh Koscheck
Koscheck looked good against Lytle, a tough guy who is really tough to finish. He's looked great in his last two fights, finishing Hazelett and dominating Lytle. Koscheck is maybe 1-2 fights away from a title shot. A rematch against Diego wouldn't be a bad idea, especially since their first fight failed to live up to the hype. Diego is fighting Thiago Alves, so I figure Koscheck should fight the winner of that fight. Koscheck-Alves would really be interesting. Alves is huge/powerful, it would be interesting to see what Koscheck does in a fight against him. Another good test would be Karo. That would be an interesting matchup.
Tyson Griffin
Another win for Griffin but another decision victory. I don't have any problems with fighters that win via decision but in a stacked division, it'll be hard to get a title shot if you aren't finishing fights, that's just a fact. Griffin is a solid fighter, well rounded and fights at a good pace. How about a fight with Matt Wiman who is on a bit of a win streak? That could be exciting, Wiman has looked great in his last few fights.
Gabriel Gonzaga
Gonzaga looked great against Justin McCully. Dominated him in every aspect of the game. McCully isn't very good so Gonzaga was supposed to dominate but he sure did look good. Gonzaga is talented and is a big HW, I wouldn't mind seeing him fight the winner of Brock Lesnar-Heath Herring.
SmytheKing
