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About This Page: This is a discussion on Football within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by DiehardKingsFan
What the **** are we thinking, giving these enormous contracts to players who haven't proved their worth?
Kelly and Wilson are solid players no doubt, but
What the **** are we thinking, giving these enormous contracts to players who haven't proved their worth?
Kelly and Wilson are solid players no doubt, but this is absolutely ridiculous, giving them that kind of money as if they were in the NFL's elite.
Because when you're bad you have to overpay for "decent-good" players. That's just the way it is.
The thing with NFL contracts is players NEVER get the full amount. So the guaranteed number is the one to look at. Kelly got overpaid, but he's a player who has shown flashes of talent, he's not worth the money he got, especially coming off ACL surgery but he's not going to get all 50 million that the Raiders signed him to.
Same with Wilson, he's a good safety not a great one. It's a huge position of need for the Raiders, 16 million guaranteed over 6 years isn't terrible and damn near every team is way under the cap. I'm happy that this means Stuart Schwiegert is no longer going to receive any signifigant playing time and hopefully is cut.
__________________ "11:19 -- You're not gonna believe this, but J.D. Drew took a called third strike to end the inning.
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Because when you're bad you have to overpay for "decent-good" players. That's just the way it is.
The thing with NFL contracts is players NEVER get the full amount. So the guaranteed number is the one to look at. Kelly got overpaid, but he's a player who has shown flashes of talent, he's not worth the money he got, especially coming off ACL surgery but he's not going to get all 50 million that the Raiders signed him to.
Same with Wilson, he's a good safety not a great one. It's a huge position of need for the Raiders, 16 million guaranteed over 6 years isn't terrible and damn near every team is way under the cap. I'm happy that this means Stuart Schwiegert is no longer going to receive any signifigant playing time and hopefully is cut.
Yea, at least Wilson can tackle. Stu was terrible at it - I don't know how many times he'd miss a tackle to give up a big play. And I suppose that when Kelly's healthy he's solid on the line, although we'll see how effective he is coming off his ACL injury.
It's just that with Kelly and Wilson locked up, along with franchise-tagging Asomugha, we don't have a lot of room to address other needs, like wide receiver and o-line.
It's just that with Kelly and Wilson locked up, along with franchise-tagging Asomugha, we don't have a lot of room to address other needs, like wide receiver and o-line.
The oline was pretty darn good last year, especially considering how ****ty they have played in year's past. With the zone blocking system Cable has installed you don't have to spend big money on the premier offensive linemen.
I think oline can be addressed in the draft, if Jake Long is available I'd love to grab him. I still feel like DT is a need, Kelly can be productive but he's just one man. WR is an issue but the Raiders aren't going anywhere next year, that's something we can address later on.
A lot of cash for a guy who's been plagued with injuries 2 out of the past 3 years. He does have big play potential, but damn - we sure are spending big for middle of the pack players.
From what I hear, he's as hated in San Francisco as Gallery is in Oakland.
I'm really, really hating this offseason.
Harris has been terrible, but he has the right tools to be successful in Cable zone blocking system. Cable worked wonders last year with Gallery, I'm fairly confident he can do the same with Harris.
A lot of cash for a guy who's been plagued with injuries 2 out of the past 3 years. He does have big play potential, but damn - we sure are spending big for middle of the pack players.
I wouldn't call Walker a middle of the road player. The Raiders are rolling the dice with his knee, I think Shanahan was being a bit of a rat saying that he might need microfracture surgery, trying to drive his price down.
When he's healthy, Walker is a solid #1, Raiders needed some playmakers on the outside if JaMarcus has any chance of being successful. The draft is thin and so is free agency. I like this gamble, better than not doing anything.
I wouldn't call Walker a middle of the road player. The Raiders are rolling the dice with his knee, I think Shanahan was being a bit of a rat saying that he might need microfracture surgery, trying to drive his price down.
When he's healthy, Walker is a solid #1, Raiders needed some playmakers on the outside if JaMarcus has any chance of being successful. The draft is thin and so is free agency. I like this gamble, better than not doing anything.
Why would Shanahan want to drive his price down, the Broncos had zero interest in retaining him. They were actually trying to trade him before they released him, so if anything he would have talked up Javon and tried to make him look marketable to the rest of the league. He's had major knee problems multiple times in his career already, so relying on him to be a #1 anymore is a big risk. He'd be a solid #2 though.
Walker is a typical "me-first" NFL WR, a good contributor when things are going his way and he's getting the ball to his satisfaction, and a distracting malcontent when he's not getting enough looks and the "offense isn't a good fit for him anymore". The Raiders game him a lot of guaranteed money for such a gamble of a player, but that's nothing new in Oakland.
Why would Shanahan want to drive his price down, the Broncos had zero interest in retaining him. They were actually trying to trade him before they released him, so if anything he would have talked up Javon and tried to make him look marketable to the rest of the league. He's had major knee problems multiple times in his career already, so relying on him to be a #1 anymore is a big risk. He'd be a solid #2 though.
Because Shanahan is a rat and he knew no one was going to trade for him for him so he decided to screw a player's potential earning potential because he doesn't like him. Doesn't seem like that far out of the reach for a guy like Shanahan. Why else would he just come out and say "Oh this guy will probably need microfracture surgery". That was a pretty dumn move in my eyes.
[quote=Frolov24][ The Raiders game him a lot of guaranteed money for such a gamble of a player, but that's nothing new in Oakland/QUOTE]
It's about what the Broncos gave him when they signed him. I'd rather gamble on Walker than pay a guy like Bernard Berrian or Donte Stallworth.
Last edited by ASUcruz; March 5th, 2008 at 10:53 AM.
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