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About This Page: This is a discussion on Football within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by jbruin152
You think Atlanta regrets trading the fifth overall pick in the first round 2001, their third-round pick 2001, their second-round pick in 2002 and wide receiver
You think Atlanta regrets trading the fifth overall pick in the first round 2001, their third-round pick 2001, their second-round pick in 2002 and wide receiver Tim Dwight for the 1st overall pick in 2001 now?
The Colorado Rockies are the luckiest team in North American sports! I just heard on ESPN 710 that they drafted Vick in the 30th round but he chose football instead. LOL
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I just want to bust her in the head with a cast iron skillet.
This one looks like he's going to jail. They've got the what went on, the kennels and the "arena's", the names of the people involved and the dogs names as well. Mike had a run in with a water bottle with a secret compartment last year as well, but this one he's going to do federal time for.
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Vick is in deep doodo on a couple of fronts. First from what I have read, Virginia is not where you want an indictment from the Feds coming from. They have a very strong conviction rate and take cases to trail very quickly. Another problem for Vick is that he also lied to the commish earlier this spring when he said he didn't know anything about the dog fighting going on his property. All this is speculation, but the Feds in VA think they have enough on Vick to put him away, and they are moving quickly.
RICHMOND, Va. —The judge assigned to preside over Michael Vick's sensational dog-fighting case is a tough jurist who has a history of exceeding federal sentencing guidelines to make a point, criminal defense attorneys here said today.
NFL star Michael Vick was indicted by a federal grand jury Tuesday on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation so grisly the losers either died in the pit or sometimes were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot.
The indictment states that dogs fought to the death -- or close to it
"Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I'm a person who faces this stuff every day," he said. "I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution -- they're unnecessary and just sick."
In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog's condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it.
Purses for the fights ranged from hundreds of dollars to the thousands, and participants and spectators placed side bets, the document said.
At the start, authorities seized 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting. About half the dogs were tethered to car axles with heavy chains that allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact -- an arrangement typical for fighting dogs, according to the search warrant affidavit.
If convicted, Vick and the others could face up to six years in prison, $350,000 in fines and restitution.
I hate to rush to judgment without knowing the facts, but **** that scumbag piece of ****. I hope one of those dogs rips his balls off, and then ass rapes him.
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I hate to rush to judgment without knowing the facts, but **** that scumbag piece of ****. I hope one of those dogs rips his balls off, and then ass rapes him.
Same here. But after reading the above articles about these poor animals, it makes me want to tear Michael Vick apart, have him locked away forever. **** Ron Mexico.
Fighting dogs is an ugly, brutal business, and none of this is to excuse anything that may or may not have happened. But whether Vick is found guilty or not, the self-righteousness of the media and the many Vick-bashers is staggering.
American culture celebrates violent sports--especially football--and is insensitive to the consequences that the weekly scrum has on the bodies and minds of its players. We love a sport where any given play can be a player's last. We accept that after 44-year-old former Philadelphia Eagle Andre Waters committed suicide, the autopsy revealed that his brain resembled someone with early-stage Alzheimer's due to repeated concussions. We ignore that a Hall of Fame running back, the once-unstoppable Earl Campbell, can barely get out of a car without assistance. We forget that Johnny Unitas, the greatest quarterback to play the game, couldn't grip a football by the time of his death.
That's a self-serving article if I've ever seen one. We ACCEPT the fact that Andre Waters killed himself because of his concussions? We IGNORE? We FORGET? Who the hell is this person talking to? First of all, this isn't our fault. Blame Gene Upshaw and the NFLPA. Second, it's not against the law to destroy your body if you choose. It IS against the law to pick a sick dog up and slam it against the cement until it dies. It IS against the law to soak a hurt animal in water and then electrocute it. The fact that this person is comparing the two is what is truly sick.
That's a self-serving article if I've ever seen one. We ACCEPT the fact that Andre Waters killed himself because of his concussions? We IGNORE? We FORGET? Who the hell is this person talking to? First of all, this isn't our fault. Blame Gene Upshaw and the NFLPA. Second, it's not against the law to destroy your body if you choose. It IS against the law to pick a sick dog up and slam it against the cement until it dies. It IS against the law to soak a hurt animal in water and then electrocute it. The fact that this person is comparing the two is what is truly sick.
Self-serving... What do you mean by that?
He is using the Vick incident and showing us that we are barely better than Roman Times.
The average NFL player lives 50 years or so. The average American lives 78 years. We fans celebrate those bone crunching hits other humans do to each other. We cheer those things. Do we not? How can now say that we have no responsibility?
Now bring this back to Vick. Once we start taking care of those who put their lives in danger for our what? entertainment! and expecting that they can and will be taken care of, the sadistic people will be vetted out and controlled.
What is the difference between Mike Ditka calling out hurt players and what Michael Vick does with dogs. Not much. Both have control over others and not much empathy.
If you are a fan of football, be part of the solution, tell the football owners that you expect them to take care of their players. It is the right thing to do.
He is using the Vick incident and showing us that we are barely better than Roman Times.
The average NFL player lives 50 years or so. The average American lives 78 years. We fans celebrate those bone crunching hits other humans do to each other. We cheer those things. Do we not? How can now say that we have no responsibility?
Now bring this back to Vick. Once we start taking care of those who put their lives in danger for our what? entertainment! and expecting that they can and will be taken care of, the sadistic people will be vetted out and controlled.
What is the difference between Mike Ditka calling out hurt players and what Michael Vick does with dogs. Not much. Both have control over others and not much empathy.
If you are a fan of football, be part of the solution, tell the football owners that you expect them to take care of their players. It is the right thing to do.
Now, this is my opinion, but I'm betting this guy is a BIG fan of Vick. The main difference between what NFL players do every sunday and what Vick may or not have been a part of is quite simple. Choice. These animals never got to choose to do with their life what Ray Lewis, Andre Ware, Thurman Thomas, Joe Montana, or Jim Otto chose to do with theirs. To compare what Vick has possibly been involved with (torture and violent killing among other things) to negligence by a players union is completely irresponsible and downright insulting.
Not to get all A Time to Kill on you, but close your eyes and imagine those dogs were babies instead. Would this even be a discussion? All this author is doing is diminishing what has happened because (in my guess) he feels it's not that bad. He's trying to compare it to a voluntary activity and that makes me ill.
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