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About This Page: This is a discussion on Football within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Alright, I'm in full root against your own team to get a better draft pick mode. Last year I was in this state of mind at around week 3. Took
Alright, I'm in full root against your own team to get a better draft pick mode. Last year I was in this state of mind at around week 3. Took a little longer this year and the Raiders have lost a few close games but yea it's time to start tanking it.
Our run defense is just atrocious so if Dorsey is available he makes the most sense. And our oline sucks again so Jake Long makes sense But if
is available, I'm all over him. He's #1 on Paolo's big board for the Raiders. Assuming he comes out of course.
__________________ "11:19 -- You're not gonna believe this, but J.D. Drew took a called third strike to end the inning.
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It's hard to see anyone beating Miami for the first overall. Looks like they sealed that one up.
Yea, this is going to be an interesting draft. There will be a number of first round QBs (Woodson, Brohm, Ryan, and Brennan), and you could make the argument that the teams inline for the first 5 picks don't need a QB(Dolphins, Rams, Jets, Patriots, Raiders). That's right, the Patriots own the Niners first round pick so let's all pray the Niners start winning.
Anyways, the Dolphins drafted Beck last year and Cameron seems high him even though he's like 26 and he can't beat out Cleo Lemon. It makes sense for them to draft a QB but they have holes elsewhere and I'm not sure Cameron will admit to the mistake(not drafting Quinn)
The Rams have Bulger and I believe just gave him a pretty big extension. He's not the most durable QB, but spending a top 5 pick on a QB does not seem wise.
The Jets have Kellen Clemens, not sure if he's the answer but I think he looks promising. They're probably the front runners for the McFadden sweepstakes.
The Patriots obviously have Brady, no need for a QB.
And the Raiders of course have JaMarcus so no QB need there.
So Atlanta might luck out and get their pick of the litter(smart money seems to be Brohm with the Petrino link)
Similarly, you could make the argument that the two worst teams don't really have the need for a RB. So McFadden could slide to 3. The Dolphins have Brown(Torn ACL I know, but he's still young) and the Rams have Jackson(got hurt this year but usually durable). It'll probably behoove one of those teams to trade down for extra picks, I'm sure someone would love to get McFadden(Cowboys?)
Let's not count out the Jets just yet. I believe 1-15 is totally feasible.
Good point, the Jets and Dolphins have one more game against each other. The loser of that one will probably be in the driver seat for that #2 pick.
For the Jets it's pretty simple right, Darren McFadden? Jones hasn't been very good this year and he's close to 30(29). I know there's a few Jet fans on this board(TBrown33 is one I think). He would know their needs better than me.
If McFadden is available I think they have to take him. Then the rest of the draft, build up that defense(I think there will be a lot of turnover since some of their personal are more suited to the 4-3). Give Clemens a full season next year with McFadden and they won't be as terrible.
I tell yea Sedrick Ellis looked awesome last night. He looks like a Warren Sapp clone. The Raiders need more of a plugger at DT but Ellis could be a very good pick if the Raiders win some cheap games and end up picking in the top 6 rather than the top 3.
Bulger out with another concussion. Maybe they do look for a quarterback in the first round. I say the Patriots draft Steve Slaton.
Hmmmm, I don't think Slaton will go in the top 10 or even the top 15. If they draft a RB it will be McFadden. If not they'll probably draft a dlineman.
Good point, the Jets and Dolphins have one more game against each other. The loser of that one will probably be in the driver seat for that #2 pick.
For the Jets it's pretty simple right, Darren McFadden? Jones hasn't been very good this year and he's close to 30(29). I know there's a few Jet fans on this board(TBrown33 is one I think). He would know their needs better than me.
If McFadden is available I think they have to take him. Then the rest of the draft, build up that defense(I think there will be a lot of turnover since some of their personal are more suited to the 4-3). Give Clemens a full season next year with McFadden and they won't be as terrible.
Heyo, sorry for being late to the losersville party. As for my Jets...
Let me preface this by saying that the Jets historically like to surprise us with how they pick, so it's safe to say that nothing is set in stone.
With that said, they won't be drafting a quarterback. Clemens is the guy, end of story.
Now a premier RB would be interesting if he were available to us at the draft. I say interesting because we just traded for Thomas Jones, who hasn't exactly been lights out, but I would pin that more on our offensive line. Mangold has been great since he's been here, but D'Brick...well, I hate to use the word bust ...but he hasn't been fantastic. He's still a bit undersized and he has shown some flashes (he dominated Jason Taylor this year). But even with D'Brickashaw on top of his game, the Jets OLine is still a far cry from great. I don't know that even a real good RB can perform with the OLine we have. The debacle with Kendall before the season was so absolutely retarded and made no sense, and it really hurt us this year. Guy is a great LG, and we managed to alienate him. Stupid, stupid way of handling things from the front office.
So, maybe an OL. But I'd like to see us use later picks on that.
But really, I think our number 1 most pressing need is a D-Lineman, specifically, a nice big nose tackle to make things happen in a 3-4 defensive scheme. Robertson (who can also be considered bustworthy) has proved he's not capable of filling that role in a 3-4, and before the Pitt game, we were dead last in the NFL in sacks. The D-Line needs to be improved big time.
With that said, I'm not really entirely sure what the incoming draft class looks like yet. But, there's my input for what will surely be a top 5 picking team.
Let me preface this by saying that the Jets historically like to surprise us with how they pick, so it's safe to say that nothing is set in stone.
Of course, who can forget the Jets draft moments. Even if you wanted to forget, ESPN always shows a montage of Jets highlights(maybe lowlights) during the broadcast. They are always one of the wild cards especially when they draft this high and have so many needs.
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With that said, they won't be drafting a quarterback. Clemens is the guy, end of story.
Sounds about right, I think they'll give Clemens at least 2 seasons. The guy is talented and unlike Pennington can throw effective passes beyond 20 yards. What about Pennington, do they just cut him and save money?
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Now a premier RB would be interesting if he were available to us at the draft. I say interesting because we just traded for Thomas Jones, who hasn't exactly been lights out, but I would pin that more on our offensive line.
Yea, running backs over 30 don't have the greatest track record. I think if McFadden is available the Jets might have to jump on him. Your right about offensive line play. What gets over looked in all the Adrian Peterson stuff is that he plays behind a great run blocking oline.
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=TBrown33Mangold has been great since he's been here, but D'Brick...well, I hate to use the word bust ...but he hasn't been fantastic. He's still a bit undersized and he has shown some flashes (he dominated Jason Taylor this year). But even with D'Brickashaw on top of his game, the Jets OLine is still a far cry from great. I don't know that even a real good RB can perform with the OLine we have.
One thing I noticed with D'Brickashaw is he does really well against the finesse speed rushers but struggles against the phyiscal DEs. He isn't a very big dude that's for sure but he's got quick feet and he's athletic. A guy can always get bigger, weight wise at least. I think he'll be a solid starter for awhile. I don't think there's a big need to draft an Olineman high, veteran free agent signing would make sense.
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But really, I think our number 1 most pressing need is a D-Lineman, specifically, a nice big nose tackle to make things happen in a 3-4 defensive scheme. Robertson (who can also be considered bustworthy) has proved he's not capable of filling that role in a 3-4, and before the Pitt game, we were dead last in the NFL in sacks. The D-Line needs to be improved big time.
Robertson must be a frustrating player. Against Pittsburgh he looked like a monster. Seemed like he was in the backfield all game long. Thinking about it, that was probably the only memorable game he's ever played in a Jet uniform.
It seems like the Jets D will go through a big overhaul this off-season. A lot of the 4-3 cover 2 guys Herm had will be axed. Vilma comes to mind for example.
Sounds like the guy you want is Glenn Dorsey. He won't be a big time sack guy playing DT in a 3-4, but he'll get a consistent push on the QB from the inside. I think once Mangini gets some of those tweener 3-4 OLBs to rush the passer they should be better. Here's a scouting report on Dorsey from ESPN. I believe this was written up prior to this season.
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Strengths: A one-gap defensive tackle prospect with very good quickness. Anticipates the snap well, explodes out of his stance and generally will win one-on-one battles with his initial quickness. He has the burst to get through the line of scrimmage and consistently penetrate. Displays good upper-body power and the ability to knock linemen back on their heels with initial pop. He shows good closing burst to the passer and ball carrier. Does a fine job of locating the ball once he's in the backfield and flashes good change-of-direction skills for his position. Shows a good spin move when attempting to fight off the double team. Plays with an excellent motor and should only improve with more game experience.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk. Does not display the base to anchor versus bigger interior offensive linemen when teams run at him. He needs to improve his lower-body strength and do a better job of splitting the double-team. Must also learn to use his hands better in order to get off of blocks quicker. He needs to be on the move to be effective.
Overall: During his first three seasons (2004-'06) Dorsey played in 38 games (17 starts) and recorded 110 total tackles, 14.5 tackles for loss, and six sacks. After splitting time in a rotation behind Claude Wroten and Kyle Williams early in his career, Dorsey experienced a breakout season as a first-year starter in 2006. He is an explosive one-gap defensive tackle with outstanding initial burst and change-of-direction skills for his size. He will fit best in a one-gap scheme that allows him to stay on the move in the NFL. Dorsey could be the top interior defensive linemen selected in the 2008 draft if he continues to improve his lower-body strength and overall technique as a senior.
2008 NFL Draft 
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