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About This Page: This is a discussion on Soccer within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Just to clarify by the way I think Benitez will be gone at the end of the season. I don't necessarily think it'll be fair on him but he has
Just to clarify by the way I think Benitez will be gone at the end of the season. I don't necessarily think it'll be fair on him but he has had a lot of money (even if not as much as the other 3 so called big clubs) and you're a long long way off the pace of them.
I just think that gap and the fact he's managed to consistently annoy your owners will be the end of him. And I think Mourinho would like the job just to stick two fingers up to him.......
Just to clarify by the way I think Benitez will be gone at the end of the season. I don't necessarily think it'll be fair on him but he has had a lot of money (even if not as much as the other 3 so called big clubs) and you're a long long way off the pace of them.
I just think that gap and the fact he's managed to consistently annoy your owners will be the end of him. And I think Mourinho would like the job just to stick two fingers up to him.......
If Benitez goes then he is going to have to be fired because he is not going to walk away.
What is more likely to happen before a managerial change is the change of ownership, because Hicks is probably going to be forced out by Gillette and DIC, and DIC will buy out Gillette's share to take full control of the club.
The point is, it doesn't matter Benitez annoyed our owners because it's common knowledge amongst Liverpool fans he was right all along. The supporters know it and have made themselves heard by staging protest during our home games.
If DIC takes over, the first one to go will be our current president Rick Parry, who ****ed over DIC's deal last year.
I think it's a common belief among liverpool fans rather than common knowledge among everyone though.
Most people looked from the outside and kind of agreed with what the owners were saying in that he'd just spent a lot of money in the summer and the team (as seems to be usual) were in the midst of having a terrible start to the season and so rather than complaining about having no money to spend he should have been concentrating on winning games.
In my opinion this whole thing about unworkable is all about making himself as much money as possible. I personally am somewhat bemused as to why Hicks and Gillete are hated so much when they've frankly given the manager as much cash as he's needed whereas everyone seems to think DIC will suddenly be the answer to everything.
The whole "americans" thing is nothing more than subtle racism and it seems entirely based on the assumption that americans know nothing about football. I find it all quite unpleasant to be honest. Liverpool are one of the top teams in the country and with that fans have to accept that the game has totally changed (and not for the better) and huge money is involved and frankly they have no choice in who owns them. These days it's perfectly possible to buy history sadly.
Rick Parry it has to be said though has been regarded as a tool for many a year
If Benitez took over a Liverpool team that had upward momentum and needed a new manager to take them over the hump, then I agree with the outsiders that he should get the sack after this season. But Liverpool were regressing the way Newcastle is, and other top clubs had upward momentum.
Fact is ManU and Chelsea were already spending big to build their current team before Benitez arrived. Arsenal were dominant in the league and were already planting their seeds for their current team....Wenger who was already an exceptional manager had a 10 year head start over Benitez in the EPL.
The reason Chelsea are still in the race for the league title with an idiot as a manager is because of the money. Their rate of spending will again eclipse Liverpool and Arsenal and that is how they are going to continue to keep their depth of talent. ManU's revenue stream due to their excellent business model also allows them to do that. To think Benitez had had enough to spend in his 4 years relative to what ManU and Chelsea were doing is just ridiculous.l
The bottom line us, our academy system, reserves, and first team are in much better shape today because of Benitez. It's too hard for some people to comprehend the meaning of rebuilding the entire system.
As for the owners, you think an outsider like yourself has more knowledge as to what is really going on at Liverpool than those 40000 supporters who staged protests against our owners at Anfield?
Last edited by redxalonso; March 30th, 2008 at 04:31 AM.
*Chelsea's net spend during after Roman took over and before Benitez arrived was 110M pounds.
*Liverpool's net spend since Benitez arrived is 56.9M.
Net spend for this season is 20.7M. Benitez actually made an overall profit from the players he bought.
*ManU's net spend in the same period is 73.4M.
Net spend for this season is 25M.
Gerrard decided to show up for the Merseyside derby.
However, not Torres or Gerrard, but Martin Skrtel was the man. A no non-sense type defender with mad skills on the ball.
That was an ugly game. Liverpool didn't even try to attack in the second. Not a smart way to play, just inviting disaster basically.
Skrtel has looked good thus far, I saw an earlier post where you compare him to Vidic. Seems a bit silly at this point, Skrtel has looked good but to say he's better than Vidic when Skrtel has played what, like 10 games in the EPL doesn't make much sense. Vidic has proven himself over about 2 seasons worth of soccer.
Let's see how Skrtel does after that amount of time before comparing him to one of the best CBs in the game.
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Interesting article and just what I was looking for I did say I didn't believe the figures I found but they were the only ones I could find. I'm staggered at how much we've spent considering how badly we've done. Staggered but not suprised obviously although looking down the list some of the Newcastle figures are definitely wrong too.....
I'd personally struggle to call Benayoun or Reina (don't rate him you need a better keeper to go with your two new wingers if you ask me, which I know you didn't !) top class.
He does seem, just like Wenger to struggle to sign British players though because that list while impressive is all foriegn players. I know he's only signed 3 according to that list but Pennant isn't up to it nor is Crouch (good against average teams who are scared by his height, ineffective against decent teams who realise he's terrible in the air) and then there was Bellamy who as a Newcastle fan I'm delighted to see fail at every juncture.
That was an ugly game. Liverpool didn't even try to attack in the second. Not a smart way to play, just inviting disaster basically.
Skrtel has looked good thus far, I saw an earlier post where you compare him to Vidic. Seems a bit silly at this point, Skrtel has looked good but to say he's better than Vidic when Skrtel has played what, like 10 games in the EPL doesn't make much sense. Vidic has proven himself over about 2 seasons worth of soccer.
Let's see how Skrtel does after that amount of time before comparing him to one of the best CBs in the game.
Nothing is as ugly and disasterous as ManU losing to Bolton.
When Mascherano first arrived at Liverpool, within 10 games we already saw his class. Same with Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso, and Daniel Agger regardless where they had success before the EPL. These guys have the ability and personality to bounce back after taking a licking. In the long run, there is more upside than downside.
I've seen alot of Skrtel since he joined the club. His defendng is top class except Vidic is taller, Skrtel the better of the two to take care of the ball. In less than 10 games and without preseason training with his teammates, he got the nod over Carragher for the CB position for the big matches. That's impressive by any standard.
As good as Vidic is, remember it was only last season that Vidic got shredded to pieces by Craig Bellamy for almost the entire game at Anfield. Overall, Vidic has done very well and Skrtel is showing the same tendencies in working out the kinks and excelling from it.
For someone who compared Alan Smith to Mark Hughes, you're shouldn't be calling anyone silly.
Interesting article and just what I was looking for I did say I didn't believe the figures I found but they were the only ones I could find. I'm staggered at how much we've spent considering how badly we've done. Staggered but not suprised obviously although looking down the list some of the Newcastle figures are definitely wrong too.....
I'd personally struggle to call Benayoun or Reina (don't rate him you need a better keeper to go with your two new wingers if you ask me, which I know you didn't !) top class.
He does seem, just like Wenger to struggle to sign British players though because that list while impressive is all foriegn players. I know he's only signed 3 according to that list but Pennant isn't up to it nor is Crouch (good against average teams who are scared by his height, ineffective against decent teams who realise he's terrible in the air) and then there was Bellamy who as a Newcastle fan I'm delighted to see fail at every juncture.
Newcastle have spent a lot, but don't feel bad because Tottenham are embarrassing themselves relative to the money they spent.
I'm not worried about Reina. His penalty saves won us the Champions League and FA Cup. He is very assured of himself in goal. In addition, he already broke Liverpool's greatest goalkeeper, Ray Clemence's club record for being the fastest to record 50 clean sheets. Another top class goalkeeper in Iker Casillas is keeping Reina from being Spain's number 1. At the age of 25, Reina will only going to get better as the Benitez team that is being built in front of him establishes continuity.
At the moment, overpaying for English players is not necessary so I'd prefer Benitez stay away from signing any of them. He's already confirmed to have signed three players for next season and one of them a Brazilian.
It won't be very long until we see Gerrard as the only UK player in the starting line up for Liverpool.
Nothing is as ugly and disasterous as ManU losing to Bolton.
LOL, if you want to compare ugly and disatrous games, I think we'll find more Liverpool results than Man U results that fit that bill. What is the point of even bringing that up? Yesterday's derby game was ugly to watch, and Liverpool is playing with fire if they are content to scratch out 1-0 games. Liverpool played played a very uninspired game, and it was overall boring to watch. It's ok to admit that.
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I've seen alot of Skrtel since he joined the club. His defendng is top class except Vidic is taller, Skrtel the better of the two to take care of the ball. In less than 10 games and without preseason training with his teammates, he got the nod over Carragher for the CB position for the big matches. That's impressive by any standard.
And I've seen a lot of Vidic since he's joined Man U and his defending has been top class. Skrtel has better ball skills but that's not exactly Vidic's role. Vidic is tougher, better in the air, and a far more imposing physical force. The classic hard man at CB.
I've never thought much of Carragher to be honest. He's a good player but replacing him isn't saying much.
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As good as Vidic is, remember it was only last season that Vidic got shredded to pieces by Craig Bellamy for almost the entire game at Anfield. Overall, Vidic has done very well and Skrtel is showing the same tendencies in working out the kinks and excelling from it.
You bring up ONE game where Vidic struggled. Let's see Skrtel play an 2 seasons at Liverpool and I bet we can pick out games where he stuggled. Keep in mind that Vidic plays in a far more offensive system than Skrtel does. Skrtel usually has at least 1 if not 2 dedicated defensive mids sheilding the back 4. Vidic doesn't exactly have that luxury.
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For someone who compared Alan Smith to Mark Hughes, you're shouldn't be calling anyone silly.
No surprise here, Redxalonso taking things out of context. If you go back and look at my posts about Alan Smith, you will see that I compared Smith to Hughes in terms of "style". How they both brought a lot of energy to the pitch. Never did I say, Alan Smith is the next Mark Hughes. I would like you to find the post where I said that.
I personally suspect you compared Smith to Hughes to trick our previous idiot manager to purchase the worthless prat.
LOL, I wish I had that kind of influence!
Smith was a good player for Man U. Even though he's been poor for Newcastle, I still think we should not have sold him. Saha is a very talented player but its hard for him to stay on the pitch.
Smith is still a quality player, I just think Newcastle is a hard place for a striker to succeed right now. I don't think any of Newcastle's strikers get any good service right now. But yea, Smith isn't a guy you want to lead your line. He did it for Man U for maybe a 10 game stretch. He's better suited to being your third striker.
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Never mind not many players playing better than him Ronaldo is by some distance the best player in the premiership at the moment.
Out here in the US, we only really get EPL games and a handful of Seria A games. Haven't seen much of Kaka this year, but I think Ronaldo is in the driver seat for player of the year.
