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About This Page: This is a discussion on NHL Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay
Well that's the easy response innit?
The answer is equally simple... I'm not insisting that anybody "adhere" to my thoughts. I'm hoping that society as
The answer is equally simple... I'm not insisting that anybody "adhere" to my thoughts. I'm hoping that society as a whole has progressed enough and is mature enough to have moved past WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE absurd and outdated traditions.
I'm not suggesting that singing the national anthem be outlawed or that anybody that chooses to stand for it is stupid.
I would never make that assumption of an individual. I would however make assumptions of a practice and a tradition introduced during a period of war and continued in order to avoid conversations like "why don't you love America, you ****ing commie".
I don't expect certain people to be able to see the distinction.
I actually wasn't linking the two, patriotism and the national anthem at games, as they're not mutually exclusive.
You can sit on your ass and it have no meaning other than you're tired.
You can stand and it have no meaning as well.
The quotes about patriotism that you posted, most not having a real strong attachment to the performance of or spectator response to the national anthem, just made me a bit curious is all. I also wasn't referring directly to you as they actually aren't just your thoughts, but are echoed quite often by many people. The curiosity of mine is this: How can one down play patriotism as nothing more than a "superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods" when the basis of their argument is yet again just the same? More opinion than fact? Patriotism is a philosophy, not an absolute truth.
That's all. Don't take it personal and don't make it personal.
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It's jingoistic nonsense to insist that it be played before every sporting event. Playing it so often--and often, so badly--cheapens the meaning of it as well. Makes sense at the Olympics, certain State events, and singular athletic events. With the way things are going in this country, it won't be long before we'll heard "Davis Gaines sings the 'Star-Spangled Banner,' brought to you by Chevron."
Some of you need to get a grip. From your attitude, I'm surprised you're not suggesting that we play the "Horst--Wessell-Lied."
Oh, and the song itself sucks. It's difficult to sing and reeks of Britishness.
"America the Beautiful" FTW.
Telling your family you love them often doesn't cheapen the fact that you love the.
If you think it reeks of the British, you, my friend are ignorant as to what went on that night and need to read a book before you open your mouth.
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Karma to whomever can finish that.
Last I checked, the right to not engage in patriotic displays was called "freedom." Is there anything more ironic than people claiming that this country is great because of "freedom" and then demanding that other people act in a way which conforms to their own beliefs?
The only thing that is more ironic is people like you. This is the same principle as flag burning.
While you have the right to burn the flag, hate the national anthem, the ironic part is you are thumbing your nose at those freedoms and those who fought for them.
As for all the back and forth about America and it's policies... that was never the point I intended to make.
The sole reason I have for not enjoying the national anthem is that nationalism and patriotism are shallow and ultimately hollow belief systems to thump ones chest about.
I'm no more proud of being an American than I am ashamed of being an American or ashamed of not being from some other country.
At the end of the day I would hope that in an event featuring talent from all over the globe we could look past the (yes I'm going to say it again) STUPID (that is to say tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless) tradition of thumping our chests and reminding ourselves of how great we are "as a nation".
"No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots."
"Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit."
""My country, right or wrong" is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying "My mother, drunk or sober.""
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it."
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
"Patriotism ruins history."
"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."
"Unless our conception of patriotism is progressive, it cannot hope to embody the real affection and the real interest of the nation."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
"Patriotism does not oblige us to acquiesce in the destruction of liberty. Patriotism obliges us to question it, at least."
You are a very sad, cynical person. I think you need a hug.
Do they play the National Anthem to open up concerts there?
I have seen the National Anthem sung before concerts before.
I'm with you, tho... I'm not a fan of singing the National Anthem before games. It's one thing in an international competition when the athletes are competing for national (and individual) pride, but I don't need to hear it at every sporting event.
when the anthem is played, I think about how grateful I am about the life that I have an opportunity to lead. I think about the people who have given up their lives so that my family could move here over 50 years ago. I'm grateful for being able to be at a sporting event, drinking a beer and spending time with a family member or a friend at the game with me.
You can sit down all you want. I could care less. I choose to make it much more important to myself and what this country does stand for, regardless of who is leading the country. This country will always be bigger than one president, than one war, than one idea, than one belief system, than one economic boom, than one depression. And as far as I can tell, this country is still the best damn place to live in the world (at least IMHO).
If there wasn't this freedom in this country, I could be living in country that has no freedom of expression right now. A country that doesn't allow freedom of the idea exchange that is happening even in this thread. A country that doesn't allow religious expression, that jails and even executes its dissenters.
so I MAKE it mean something different. If you choose to mean it make something less important, that's your choice and your freedom.
This country will always be bigger than one president, than one war, than one idea, than one belief system, than one economic boom, than one depression. And as far as I can tell, this country is still the best damn place to live in the world (at least IMHO).
Telling your family you love them often doesn't cheapen the fact that you love the.
If you think it reeks of the British, you, my friend are ignorant as to what went on that night and need to read a book before you open your mouth.
If you think that the love you feel for your family is in any way comparable to the performance of a song before a sporting event, you're a fool.
And I know perfectly well the history of the National Anthem, which makes it sounding so British particularly and painfully ironic.
I still say "America the Beautiful" FTW.
And lighten the **** up. Goallum called it out perfectly. Some of you clowns are pure totalitarians at heart--I thought we defeated the Nazis in 1945 and prevailed in the Cold War. Reading some of these posts in here, such as the one quoted above, makes me wonder if those victories weren't actually pretty hollow. I repeat: chill the **** out.
Just because the tune is remotely based on a English song, does not mean it reeks of Britishness.
Dude, it sounds British. Play the "Star Spangled Banner" and "God Save the Queen" one after the other. They're cut from the same cloth, musically speaking.
If you think that the love you feel for your family is in any way comparable to the performance of a song before a sporting event, you're a fool.
And I know perfectly well the history of the National Anthem, which makes it sounding so British particularly and painfully ironic.
I still say "America the Beautiful" FTW.
And lighten the **** up. Goallum called it out perfectly. Some of you clowns are pure totalitarians at heart--I thought we defeated the Nazis in 1945 and prevailed in the Cold War. Reading some of these posts in here, such as the one quoted above, makes me wonder if those victories weren't actually pretty hollow. I repeat: chill the **** out.
Maybe if you actually understood the point of what I was saying you could have come up with a legit response. But you didn't. It was obvious to most. Try again.
BTW, I find it even more ironic that someone who is claiming that everyone else needs to lighten up uses "****" so much in a paragraph. Just sayin.
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