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About This Page: This is a discussion on NHL Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. One Canadian Opinion...
A Swan Song for Our National Anthems | Bleacher Report -
he's got a point, buddy.
I asked that this be bullet pointed because I suspected that most if not all of the reasons given would have undertones that prove people against the anthem actually do love this country or at the very least care about it's integrity. It's my personal opinion that if ALL OF US concentrate on those similarities then we all could stand and observe in unison.
What bothers me about this whole topic is the fact that it's somehow cool or sensible for people to disrespect the flag as long as it can be explained that they are doing so as a form of protest. Is it too much to ask for protesters and naysayers (no pun intended) to figure out a different way to get their point across? I'm not asking anyone to stfu. I'm just asking for some mutual respect and overall decency.
From a flaggy flagsters standpoint I can't help but notice that the favorite liberal way to get various points across is to **** all over the flag. Whether they be burning it, ignoring it during anthems or keeping it off the lapel of their suits this does seem to be the #1 way to say "I don't like the direction that America is going." Truth be told, I think a pussy way of going about the whole thing.
Well, I love my country. The opposite of love would be indifference and since that is not the characteristic being demonstrated by you people I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you actually do love this country too. You just don't agree with her policies. Fine. I get that. If you guys would respect the country, it's flag and it's flaggy flagster citizens WHILE you work towards the changes you desire in a more constructive and sensible way then I honeslty believe you will see that people in general will respect your opinions a whole hell of a lot more. Not only that, you may actually make some progress in acheiving what it is that you desire.
Flag=Symbol
+Symbol=Object that signifies particular ideaology/belief system
+Burning of object=burning of object, not ideaology/belief system.
=
Burning of flag=nonissue to sensible people.
If you don't like the Anthem or the people that stand during it, go back to your damn Country. Very simple.
"Nelson: Hey, German boy. Go back to Germania!
[everyone laughs]
Uter: I do not deserve this. I have come here legally as an
exchange student!
Skinner: Young man, the only thing we exchanged for you is our national
dignity."
As for all the back and forth about America and it's policies... that was never the point I intended to make.
The sole reason I have for not enjoying the national anthem is that nationalism and patriotism are shallow and ultimately hollow belief systems to thump ones chest about.
I'm no more proud of being an American than I am ashamed of being an American or ashamed of not being from some other country.
At the end of the day I would hope that in an event featuring talent from all over the globe we could look past the (yes I'm going to say it again) STUPID (that is to say tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless) tradition of thumping our chests and reminding ourselves of how great we are "as a nation".
"No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots."
"Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit."
""My country, right or wrong" is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying "My mother, drunk or sober.""
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it."
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
"Patriotism ruins history."
"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."
"Unless our conception of patriotism is progressive, it cannot hope to embody the real affection and the real interest of the nation."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
"Patriotism does not oblige us to acquiesce in the destruction of liberty. Patriotism obliges us to question it, at least."
"Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit."
By the way this thread smells like Orange County...
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