legal issue...

[lakingstar]

Originally Posted by CUP4LA

No. In real life you're mostly in court or reviewing your file (dependant on what area you practice in). Research is a very small part of practicing especially if you have a paralegal.

You see, I've already finished law school, practiced for over a decade and currently work in a position .....well let's just say I have a gavel.

wait a minute...you're telling me that before you became a "judge", you never had to bust your ass in law libraries, research the law, write up briefs, re-write your briefs, re-re-write your briefs, write motions, have them denied, etc. etc. etc.??? if you claim that research is a small part of becoming a lawyer, let alone a judge, what freakin' route did you take????

you're a bad influence for young law students like myself if you say that research and writing is a very small part of becoming a lawyer/judge...

[CUP4LA]

Originally Posted by lakingstar

wait a minute...you're telling me that before you became a "judge", you never had to bust your ass in law libraries, research the law, write up briefs, re-write your briefs, re-re-write your briefs, write motions, have them denied, etc. etc. etc.??? if you claim that research is a small part of becoming a lawyer, let alone a judge, what freakin' route did you take????

you're a bad influence for young law students like myself if you say that research and writing is a very small part of becoming a lawyer/judge...

Actually, I didn't. I was put into the fire doing trials settlement conferences and depositions, mixed in wirh appelate work. Legal research is important, but what
you are doing isn't really legal research. It's more of a history project.

Sorry to be such a bad influence.

[Unruely35]

You just got served.

[nosoupforyou]

I love it when people ask a question when they won't listen to an answer. then after asking the question, they insult the person without even waiting for an explanation...from a person with a ton more experience in their EXACT field.

I can't wait to see this kid practice law. just let me know what law office hires you so I don't ever hire that law office.

[Exodus1045]

....ok so i wont sue you

but i think we got a little derailed here.

any one have some lawyer jokes?




(then lets merge this sucka)

[lakingstar]

Originally Posted by CUP4LA

Actually, I didn't. I was put into the fire doing trials settlement conferences and depositions, mixed in wirh appelate work. Legal research is important, but what
you are doing isn't really legal research. It's more of a history project.

Sorry to be such a bad influence.

the point of you saying "you didn't" shows that you didn't go through the route that the rest of the law students like myself have to go through. i know a select few that were fortunate enough to experience what you experienced. thats fine because thats your route. you were fortunate and blessed to go through that way. i admit...i'm sorry i had no idea that you took that route...so yes i got officially "served"....my bad...

but for those who were weren't fortunate to have that opporutnity to go through your route, you know full well what we have go through in our 2nd and 3rd year. intern here, clerk there, doing the dirty work for attorneys until you take their spot in years to come. i'm sorry i wasn't fortunate enough to have an opportunity as yours. i'm still at the library now researching my ass off (not for the topic of this paper in this thread), but for my law review article. don't tell me what i've been doing for the past 3 years has been false.

[kingsfan28]

Originally Posted by Wolvie

Overruled!

Hostile Witness!

[CUP4LA]

Originally Posted by lakingstar

don't tell me what i've been doing for the past 3 years has been false.

I'm not telling you that. I just thought it was strange that you were writing what in essence sounds like an undergraduate term paper.

Looking at it another way, I guess it could be considered a very detailed case brief, but it's not legal research like you would be conducting as a first year associate and some big firm. You know, the type of research that they teach in you during your first year of law school that involves Witkin and Shepardizing.


Good luck with the rest of lawschool and the Bar.

[tortfesor]

Law school and its rigors, you will learn, have little to do with the actual practice of law, except for learning research skills and the ability to think and reason logically, leading to application of rules etc. to various fact patterns. Heed the advice, and try not to argue with those about the practice of law who have been there long before you and actually do what you merely seek to do. Hopefully you'll get into "the club" soon enough.

Having said that, I agree, your topic seems like a class seminar project, not like a law review in-depth analysis of legal issues, but rather just a look at the possible long-term legal implications of the incident. Interesting topic, and in any event, good luck.

[Crockett77]

Originally Posted by lakingstar

the point of you saying "you didn't" shows that you didn't go through the route that the rest of the law students like myself have to go through. i know a select few that were fortunate enough to experience what you experienced. thats fine because thats your route. you were fortunate and blessed to go through that way. i admit...i'm sorry i had no idea that you took that route...so yes i got officially "served"....my bad...

but for those who were weren't fortunate to have that opporutnity to go through your route, you know full well what we have go through in our 2nd and 3rd year. intern here, clerk there, doing the dirty work for attorneys until you take their spot in years to come. i'm sorry i wasn't fortunate enough to have an opportunity as yours. i'm still at the library now researching my ass off (not for the topic of this paper in this thread), but for my law review article. don't tell me what i've been doing for the past 3 years has been false.

WAAAAA, WAAAA, WAAAA. Cry me a river.

Now go sue somebody because your pants weren't dry cleaned on time.

[4/10/82]

Originally Posted by Crockett77

Now go sue somebody because your pants weren't dry cleaned on time.

actually, it was a judge who did that.

[Crockett77]

Originally Posted by 4/10/82

actually, it was a judge who did that.

Close enough

[Arsenic33]

I have to agree with the guy doing the project. If you want to be a judge, after law school you have do a judiicial clerkship which involves researching cases. When you apply to any clerkship the one thing they look for is whether you are good at research and how well you can write memorandums.

I can see why experienced lawyers would argue that the knowledge learned in law school has nothing to do with the actual practice of law. For fields like criminal defense, contract law, or bankrupcy matters (just to name a few), researching cases might not be the majority of your everyday job. Also, if you are an experienced attorney, you probably spent 10% of your time researching because a) you already know the applicable statutes/case law related to the area you are in or b) you have lawyers fresh out of law school doing that work for you.

I've talked to a lot of my law professors and they all say that the most important thing you can learn in law school is research and writing skills. The experienced attorney that had posted above may not have found those skills useful in his practice but that is not the norm.

[Arsenic33]

Originally Posted by CUP4LA

I'm not telling you that. I just thought it was strange that you were writing what in essence sounds like an undergraduate term paper.

Looking at it another way, I guess it could be considered a very detailed case brief, but it's not legal research like you would be conducting as a first year associate and some big firm. You know, the type of research that they teach in you during your first year of law school that involves Witkin and Shepardizing.

Anyway, if you're still looking for hockey issues here's a couple more Kings related ones

1) Pat Quinn accepting a job as GM with the Vancouver Canucks WHILE he was still coaching the Kings. (I don't remember if tha was solely an internal issue but there were some pretty heavysanctions imposed)

2) Paul Mulvey sued the Kings and the NHL after being blackballed by the league because he refused to fight per coach Don Perry's orders.


Good luck with the rest of lawschool and the Bar.

I respectfully dissent. In sport law you have a lot of tort issues that come up, especially in hockey. To write a good paper on this topic would involve researching cases relating to whether there was "consent" for the "battery" or "assault" (if it involved fighting in hockey) or if the area was contract law, than you would have to uses cases and/or statutes relating to the contracts entered into by the hockey organizations and the players. There are a lot of ways to write a legal research paper on hockey issues for a sports law class.

For issue number one above, there is probably a no-competition clause that Pat Quinn signed in his contract to coach for the Kings. Wouldnt this involve some legal research? Courts often strike down no-competition clauses, would they do so in this situation? Or would the breach of contract outweigh the public policy concerns that make the courts strike down these clauses?

Also, for example, issue number two could possibly involve issues of defamation, slander, and whether Mulvey had "substantially performed" his end of the contract if fighting is part of the contract.

[King Taco]

I have wood for CUP4LA.

[4/10/82]

Originally Posted by Arsenic33

I respectfully dissent.

your dissent is an object lesson in "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." you're inventing issues that don't belong and applying theories that are inapt.

not trying to make you look bad, but you're way under-equipped for this dust-up just yet. you'll want to spend a little more time in the gym before you get into the fight.

here's some free lawyerly advice: if you're going to disagree with a judge, don't do it publicly. it's not going to end well for you.