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About This Page: This is a discussion on NHL Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. What if Dallas had kept Iginla?... Scary, scary team there. Imagine this too: Kopitar, flanked by Brown and Ovechkin which would have bumped down O'Sullivan to have Boyle flanked by
What if Dallas had kept Iginla?... Scary, scary team there. Imagine this too: Kopitar, flanked by Brown and Ovechkin which would have bumped down O'Sullivan to have Boyle flanked by O'Sullivan and Frolov.
Just putting that out there.
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I wonder if they could have given up anyone or anything else to get Nieuwendyk?
there was talk about trading todd harvey for him, but calgary took jarome iginla instead, or i think dallas INSISTED on giving iginla instead of harvey.
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well what if san jose didn't trade their 1st round pick to tampa which led them to draft Lecavielar dam i don't know how to spell his last name
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If you want to talk about what could've been, you need to talk about what couldn't have been. The Oilers trading Pronger to the leafs would've helped prevent the Ducks from winning the Cup...
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What if the Kings had drafted Iginla instead of Berg. That would have been pretty sweet. Although, he probably would have been traded for some washed up goalie way past his prime.
What if the Kings had drafted Iginla instead of Berg. That would have been pretty sweet. Although, he probably would have been traded for some washed up goalie way past his prime.
How would we have drafted Ovechkin?
I think wikipedia said the Panthers tried to in one of the late rounds saying he was old enough when you include leap-years-days.
well what if san jose didn't trade their 1st round pick to tampa which led them to draft Lecavielar dam i don't know how to spell his last name
The Sharks didn't trade the pick outright, they traded the right to swap picks. At the time, they were trading anywhere from a 18.8% chance at the #1 pick to a 8.1% chance. The full sequence of trades:
- Early in the 97/98 season, Sharks trade Viktor Kozlov and a fifth rounder to Florida for Dave Lowry and a first rounder.
- At the ensuing trade deadline, Sharks trade Andrei Nazarov to Tampa for Bryan Marchment and David Shaw. Tampa then got the right to swap picks if Florida happened to win the draft lottery. In hindsight, since Florida happened to win, it looks like a shrewd move. But on the other hand, consider if this year Tampa had traded like Shane O'Brien to the Kings for Lauri Tukonen and the right to swap picks. The Kings didn't win the draft lottery anyways, so one could argue that Phil Esposito just got lucky.
- The Sharks then ended up with the #2 pick which they traded for #3 and #29. Those picks ended up being Brad Stuart and Jonathan Cheechoo. While I'm sure they would have rather have had Lecavalier in hindsight, Stuart/Cheechoo/Marchment was a decent haul especially since Stuart helped get them Joe Thornton. If anybody should be kicking themselves, it should be Florida for dealing their first for Kozlov.
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My favorite what if is how the NHL would be different if Eric Lindros had been traded from Quebec to the Rangers instead of the Flyers. Given the sheer number of players involved, we're talking about drastic changes for all three franchises involved. Essentially what happened was that the dysfunctional Nordiques ownership/management agreed to a trade with the Flyers.....only to receive a better final offer from the Rangers. Quebec tried to argue that they never agreed formally with Philly, but an arbitrator ruled otherwise.
Quebec was set to receive from New York: Doug Weight, Tony Amonte, Alexei Kovalev, John Vanbiesbrouck and three first round draft picks (1993, 1994 & 1995) and $12 million.
Quebec ended up getting from Philadelphia: Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, two 1st round picks (1993 and 1994), and $15,000,000 cash.
Do the Rangers win the Cup in '94 with Lindros but without Kovalev, Esa Tikkanen (traded for Weight), Brian Noonan and Stephane Matteau (traded for Amonte)?
Does Colorado/Quebec still become a dominant franchise in the 90s with Weight/Amonte/Kovalev instead of Forsberg/Ricci/Simon? Are they possibly even better since the arrival of Forsberg and Ricci made Mats Sundin "expendable."
Does Philly get over the hump with Forsberg instead of Lindros?
i think dallas INSISTED on giving iginla instead of harvey.
I don't want to argue, but that assessment is not really the case. The way I saw the trade go down was like this...
The only way Calgary makes the deal with Nieuwendyk is if Iginla was part of the deal. I guess Calgary figured if Dallas wanted a chance at the cup that bad then Dallas needed to give up one of it's top prospects.
Calgary knew what they wanted.
And if the trade didn't happen Dallas doesn't win the cup.
Well, the rumor was that Calgary wanted Todd Harvey for Nieuwendyk, but the Stars wanted to keep Harvey. When the trade happened (Dec '95), Harvey was 20 years old and had a productive 94-95 campaign. Harvey looked something like Dustin Brown did at the same age.
Iginla had just been drafted in June '95. The Stars likely figured he was at least two years away from cracking their NHL club. Dallas didn't want to trade Harvey since they figured he'd be part of their team in the immediate future. Simply put, they probably just didn't think Iginla was a budding superstar at that moment.
Article from:
Dallas Morning News
Article date:
May 28, 2004
Byline: Mike Heika
DALLAS - Could the Stars have kept Jarome Iginla and still acquired Joe Nieuwendyk from the Calgary Flames?
The question is a lot more difficult to answer these days than it was in 1995.
When the Stars showed interest in Nieuwendyk, Calgary wanted one of two players: Iginla or Todd Harvey. Craig Button, former Stars assistant general manager, said the Flames were after Iginla because his juniors coach, Don Hay, was in the Flames organization and was pushing hard to get the young forward.
Les Jackson, the current assistant GM, said the trade could have gone for Harvey.
Nieuwendyk Relieved To Be Seeing Stars
Toronto Sun -- December 21, 1995
By Tim Wharnsby
The adjective \"disgruntled\" in front of Joe Nieuwendyk's name was replaced by \"jolly\" early yesterday.
The Calgary Flames ended months of trade rumors by shipping the holdout center to the Dallas Stars in exchange for premier prospect Jarome Iginla and center Corey Millen.
\"I'm glad and relieved it's finally over,\" said Nieuwendyk, who promptly signed a five-year, $ 11-million US deal with the Stars. \"All the talk and rumors over the past four months have taken their toll. I'm obviously happy that Dallas has made a commitment to me for the long term.\"
Because of a storm in Ithaca, N.Y., Nieuwendyk was unable to join his new teammates yesterday. He likely will not be in the Stars' lineup against the Islanders tonight.
Nieuwendyk, 29, has been working out with his former college team, Cornell.
\"It's not the same as playing NHL games,\" he said.
The Flames tried to pry power forward Todd Harvey away from the Stars. They settled for right winger Iginla, a member of the two-time Memorial Cup champion Kamloops Blazers who will play for Canada at the World Junior Hockey Championship next week.
\"I was surprised,\" Iginla said from Saint John, N.B., last night where Canada played the Czech Republic in an exhibition game. \"I haven't even played a game in the NHL and here I'm being traded for a player like Joe Nieuwendyk no less.\"
With Kamloops this year, the 6-foot-1, 193-pound Iginla has collected 31 goals and 68 points in 31 games. While the Flames could use him right away, he is junior-aged and not under contract and thus will return to Kamloops after the world junior.
The Leafs also made an earlier offer for Nieuwendyk.
\"I was flabbergasted about the deal,\" Leafs assistant GM Bill Watters said. \"Our offer was far better.\"
Just looking back at what could have been: 
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