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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Tukonen-Plateaued are you kidding. He's 21 years old he has a tonne of hockey ahead of him. Most of the year he played a defensive role,third line.
Tukonen-Plateaued are you kidding. He's 21 years old he has a tonne of hockey ahead of him. Most of the year he played a defensive role,third line. He was/is a leader. He has proven that he can be dependable.Tukonen will score 12-20 goals annually,depend on it...If you were following the Kings and their prospects you would see that Tuk has really turned it up a notch on the scoring front playing with BBoyle... And get your facts straight, Havlat never played third line minutes in Ottawa... So you would take a second rounder...and in your infinite wisdom who would you select...at 35 quick...and dont say Jared Staal he'll be gone though it could have been a good quess...
Who the hell was talking about AMontoya...who gives rats ass about Montoya or Sjostrom. And speaking about NY moves how about CBackman to Rangers for essentially nothing(4thR)... That was a buddy buddy trade no more...What the hell will Phoenix do with Montoya...they have Bryzgalov,Tellqvist and Gistedt waiting in the Wings...
The Kings werent the worst team in the league...they have a future which is the opposite direction that a lot of clubs are heading(you guessed it Atlanta)...
PS Look at Atlanta's draft record they would have quite the time picking the winner of a 1 horse race...
Don Waddell isnt much of a GM...and Atlanta is a terrible organization.
Don Waddell isnt much of a GM...and Atlanta is a terrible organization.
Trust me, we agree on this point. But this doesn't mean he's gonna trade away the 3rd overall pick when the organization is desperate for a franchise defenseman that it has never had.
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Tukonen-Plateaued are you kidding. He's 21 years old he has a tonne of hockey ahead of him. Most of the year he played a defensive role,third line. He was/is a leader. He has proven that he can be dependable.Tukonen will score 12-20 goals annually,depend on it...If you were following the Kings and their prospects you would see that Tuk has really turned it up a notch on the scoring front playing with BBoyle...
2005-06: 36 points, 62 games
2006-07: 32 points, 61 games
2007-08: 28 points, 52 games
I'm not sure that's trending towards somebody who will put up 15+ goals in the NHL. He is young, but the lack of production is alarming. Again, not a guy I'd go out of my way to acquire.
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And get your facts straight, Havlat never played third line minutes in Ottawa...
I'm not sure what your definition of "3rd line" minutes is.
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So you would take a second rounder...and in your infinite wisdom who would you select...at 35 quick...
Just for clarification, I was comparing Tukonen to Atlanta's 2009 2nd rounder. The Thrashers traded their 2nd rounder this year. I was viewing the 2009 pick in terms of trade/asset value as opposed to putting a name+face on it already.
Once the Kings figured out Aki Berg wasn't ever going to fulfill his potential, they traded him for a 2nd rounder. Pick ended up being Mike Cammalleri. Sometimes it works out, sometimes you end up with Scott Barney.
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and dont say Jared Staal he'll be gone though it could have been a good quess...
Seemingly the only reason we know Jared Staal is because of his last name. Haven't seen too many people list him as a late first rounder. If you're going for a familiar name, at least jock David Toews who might be there for the Dallas pick.
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Who the hell was talking about AMontoya...who gives rats ass about Montoya or Sjostrom.
Because Montoya was a 2004 first round pick who kinda sputtered in the AHL. Tukonen was a 2004 first round pick who kinda sputtered in the AHL. Montoya didn't produce that great of a trade return despite him still being listed amongst the top 75 prospects leaguewide--I haven't seen too many lists that hold Tukonen in that high regard.
I'm just trying to use examples to gauge trade value.
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What the hell will Phoenix do with Montoya...they have Bryzgalov,Tellqvist and Gistedt waiting in the Wings...
Tellqvist turns 29 by the time next season starts. He's also unrestricted after this season. I'm not sure I'd classify that as "waiting in the Wings..."
Bryzgalov is signed for another 3 years. Phoenix will just let Montoya develop and see if he ever regains his form. Not like they gave up that much to get him. And it's not like it's a terrible plan to develop a young goalie while you have a #1 goalie at the NHL level. Seems like a sane plan as opposed to "What the hell are they going to do with him?"
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The Kings werent the worst team in the league...they have a future which is the opposite direction that a lot of clubs are heading(you guessed it Atlanta)...
The Kings have a bright future. My comment was based on the context of this season (still dead last as of today) and your assertion that Tukonen was already a solid 3rd liner.
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PS Look at Atlanta's draft record they would have quite the time picking the winner of a 1 horse race...
Again, I love the logic: Outside of Kovalchuk and Heatley, you guys suck at developing prospects. So you should give us the top 5 pick because you're going to waste it anyways.
Trust me, post your trade proposal on an Atlanta board and see what kind of response you get. For just one second, you don't think Atlanta is pretty much content with landing on the D prospects and has no interest in trading? If I was the team that gave up the most goals in the entire NHL, would I maybe not think signing Michael Cammalleri to a big contract should be a high priority?
Again, think about it for a minute if it were being proposed to you. If the Kings ended up with the #3 overall pick (say TB has the worst record and STL wins the draft lottery), would you want the Kings to trade the pick for Brian Gionta, Nicklas Bergfors, and a first round pick in the 22-24 range?
Trust me, we agree on this point. But this doesn't mean he's gonna trade away the 3rd overall pick when the organization is desperate for a franchise defenseman that it has never had.
2005-06: 36 points, 62 games
2006-07: 32 points, 61 games
2007-08: 28 points, 52 games
I'm not sure that's trending towards somebody who will put up 15+ goals in the NHL. He is young, but the lack of production is alarming. Again, not a guy I'd go out of my way to acquire.
I'm not sure what your definition of "3rd line" minutes is.
Just for clarification, I was comparing Tukonen to Atlanta's 2009 2nd rounder. The Thrashers traded their 2nd rounder this year. I was viewing the 2009 pick in terms of trade/asset value as opposed to putting a name+face on it already.
Once the Kings figured out Aki Berg wasn't ever going to fulfill his potential, they traded him for a 2nd rounder. Pick ended up being Mike Cammalleri. Sometimes it works out, sometimes you end up with Scott Barney.
Seemingly the only reason we know Jared Staal is because of his last name. Haven't seen too many people list him as a late first rounder. If you're going for a familiar name, at least jock David Toews who might be there for the Dallas pick.
Because Montoya was a 2004 first round pick who kinda sputtered in the AHL. Tukonen was a 2004 first round pick who kinda sputtered in the AHL. Montoya didn't produce that great of a trade return despite him still being listed amongst the top 75 prospects leaguewide--I haven't seen too many lists that hold Tukonen in that high regard.
I'm just trying to use examples to gauge trade value.
Tellqvist turns 29 by the time next season starts. He's also unrestricted after this season. I'm not sure I'd classify that as "waiting in the Wings..."
Bryzgalov is signed for another 3 years. Phoenix will just let Montoya develop and see if he ever regains his form. Not like they gave up that much to get him. And it's not like it's a terrible plan to develop a young goalie while you have a #1 goalie at the NHL level. Seems like a sane plan as opposed to "What the hell are they going to do with him?"
The Kings have a bright future. My comment was based on the context of this season (still dead last as of today) and your assertion that Tukonen was already a solid 3rd liner.
Again, I love the logic: Outside of Kovalchuk and Heatley, you guys suck at developing prospects. So you should give us the top 5 pick because you're going to waste it anyways.
Trust me, post your trade proposal on an Atlanta board and see what kind of response you get. For just one second, you don't think Atlanta is pretty much content with landing on the D prospects and has no interest in trading? If I was the team that gave up the most goals in the entire NHL, would I maybe not think signing Michael Cammalleri to a big contract should be a high priority?
Again, think about it for a minute if it were being proposed to you. If the Kings ended up with the #3 overall pick (say TB has the worst record and STL wins the draft lottery), would you want the Kings to trade the pick for Brian Gionta, Nicklas Bergfors, and a first round pick in the 22-24 range?
I would hope you would say no.
That was one of the most thorough ass kickings I have ever encountered on LGK. Especially the part6 about the 3rd line minutes stat.
I don't think Lombardi has anything against Russians in particular, but he has expressed a dislike for the way European players tend to 'group' together in clique fashion. He went on to point out the success of a the Ducks team last year, and their distinct lack of Euros on the club..
One thing about Filatov, supossedly..... his mom has lived and studied in the states and he already speaks perfect english. His mom has planned for him to come to the US.
Still does not mean a thing in the end, but it does shed a different light on his situation.
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