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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. that runs right along the lines of how DL thinks:
NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly
"With those questions in mind, I brought the
"With those questions in mind, I brought the entire Pro Football Weekly editorial department together several months ago to map out a process for studying the NFL draft over the past five seasons and set about the process of trying to determine the impact it has had on the successes and failures of the league's 32 teams. What follows are our findings.
The Chargers (11) drafted more of their ’07 starters between 2003-05 than any club in the league, and the Patriots, Cowboys and Cardinals (nine each) tied for second. Of the 10 clubs that drafted seven or more of their ’07 starters between 2003-05, the Colts, Jaguars and Seahawks (seven each) were also in the playoffs, and the Eagles (eight) and Bears (seven) are also in this group.
Again, the Chargers (six), Cowboys (five), Patriots (four) and Bears (four) drafted the most Pro Bowlers in this five-year span.
The final proof of the connection between developing homegrown talent and winning is provided by a look at which clubs have done the best with undrafted free-agent rookies. The Colts lead the way with 16, and the Cowboys (15) are second. Of the nine clubs with nine or more undrafted rookie free agents to make the roster in the year they were signed, the Jaguars (11), Giants (11) and Chargers (nine) join the Colts and Cowboys in the playoffs."
granted, we are talking about a 50 person roster vs a 23 person roster, it still seems to make tremendous sense to build a core that will be with the team for a long period to come.
I look at the example of Detroit and how long they have been producing top flight teams at this point, and hope that DL can get the Kings there in the next few seasons. It looks like we have the youth in place. The coaching staff needs to mentor and get the most out of them now.
Yep... it's only a new concept to Kings fans because the Kings have never put a huge focus on building from within before. Sure, it's been something several Kings GM's have tried to do, but it's never been such a focus like it is with DL. Obviously the pain associated with going through this is tough, but you can't argue with how successful the results have been for teams that do it.
I know it is tough for a lot of people who have loved and bled with the Kings over the years and the problems that arose before DL cannot be blamed on DL...and impatience is the enemy of all.
Yes it does, but that's not really related to the conversation is it?
It almost seems like Detroit is among the 'strong get stronger' crowd in that you draft kids, have them play with great players who in turn mentor and make the kids great who will make the new kids great and so on. One thing Detroit has been really good at though is scouting, finding guys like Zetterberg...jeez.
The fatal flaw of this entire comparison is that hockey teams draft 18 year old kids on potential of where they are going to contribute 3-5 years later, where as football teams draft 21 year olds on what they are showing at a combine and can do in 3-5 months.
The fatal flaw of this entire comparison is that hockey teams draft 18 year old kids on potential of where they are going to contribute 3-5 years later, where as football teams draft 21 year olds on what they are showing at a combine and can do in 3-5 months.
It is not as flawed as you might think. How many NFL draftees actually start or even play beyond special teams for their first few seasons. The NFL does not have a minor league developement program as compared to the NHL. Also the comparison to an NFL QB development and an NHL goaltenders is very similar in its time frame.
Yes the Patriots have done well with some home grown talent...
Tom Brady turned out to be a hell of a 6th round pick...
Then there's the whole UFA players willing to come to New England for less money to get a shot at the Championship. I read somewhere that Randy Moss had a pretty good year for the Pats...
Drafting and developing in any sport are important no doubt. As a Red Sox fan I'm liking the development of their youth as well. They've made trades for and signed some decent UFA players as well...
The Kings were on their way with the develop from within model with much of the youth core that's currently on the ice for them. Getting top tier UFAs to come in and play has been somewhat problematic for the Kings forever.
Before we charge off hailing DL as some genius, we should probably compare his UFA signings to the rest of the league. It's still takes acquiring the right pieces to win a championship. Draft, develop and acquire...
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Yes the Patriots have done well with some home grown talent...
Tom Brady turned out to be a hell of a 6th round pick...
Then there's the whole UFA players willing to come to New England for less money to get a shot at the Championship. I read somewhere that Randy Moss had a pretty good year for the Pats...
Drafting and developing in any sport are important no doubt. As a Red Sox fan I'm liking the development of their youth as well. They've made trades for and signed some decent UFA players as well...
The Kings were on their way with the develop from within model with much of the youth core that's currently on the ice for them. Getting top tier UFAs to come in and play has been somewhat problematic for the Kings forever.
Before we charge off hailing DL as some genius, we should probably compare his UFA signings to the rest of the league. It's still takes acquiring the right pieces to win a championship. Draft, develop and acquire...
But which came first with the Pats, the free agents willing to go there to win, or some impressive drafting?
I think you have to change the culture here a bit from within before you can even think about attracting the elite free agents.
I don't disagree with you. Building a winner is clearly more than great drafting (even for a team like the Red Wings). We'll need to judge Lombardi on his ability to finish the job once some of the other pieces are in place. One hopes that he recognized his free agent mistakes as gambles before he rolled the dice on them, and that he'll stop gambling if/when his options improve.
Do they still hold the Mr Irrevelent golf tournament for the last player picked in the NFL draft??? This would be something I would actually like to see the NHL do in the near future... How about a par 3 with Dan Cloutier guarding the cup and imagine how many holes in 1 they'd get???
Then there's the whole UFA players willing to come to New England for less money to get a shot at the Championship. I read somewhere that Randy Moss had a pretty good year for the Pats...
Randy was traded for a 4th rounder, IIRC, so he wasn't a UFA. That also means that there weren't a ton of teams knocking on the raider's door for him. Also, having the identity of being a cancer on the team and 3 poor seasons couldn't help his chances. But now he knows his best chance of being significant and winning it all is with the Patriots, so he'll take less money at this point.
The Pats did take a chance with him, and even at the time, I thought it was an amazing trade they pulled off. the risk/reward ratio was huge.
Very interesting article on the NFL Draft effectiveness 
TonySCV
