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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by charles
Bertuzzi....must be Italian.
Yes, but he's Canadian.
You have a multitude of choices here. Pick which one applies:
1) You're a doctor who specializes in blunt-force trama to the back/neck area.
2) You didn't watch it and you're talking out of the wrong hole.
3) You're a bleeding, goram moron.
Let's just say I doubt it's #1...
Yes, I have seen the video several times, and I should have said that the punch probably did not break Moore's neck. How many times have you ever heard of somebody breaking their neck from a punch? How many boxers/wrestlers/IFCers have suffered a broken neck? I have never (aside from this incident) heard of that happening, but I have heard of people falling on their neck/back and breaking it. My theory is that Bertuzzi knocked Moore unconscious with the punch, and the force of Bertuzzi and the Av's player landing on Moore's back/neck is what broke it.
The main point I wanted to get across was that all of the suing and counter-suing is ridiculous.
But, by handing me the gun you cannot be surprised that I used it. And, by handing me the gun you can be liable for anything that happens in the crime.
Don't want me to use the gun, don't give it to me.
In Crawfords case it will be interesting.
Crawford juggled the lines all game to get his tougher players together on the ice with Moore.
Bertuzzi and May who do not normally play together were both on the ice at the fateful moment.
The game was over, Crawford could have easily sat those 2 and others at the end and avoided any more confrontations with Moore. And Colorado could have sat Moore as well.
Now factor in...
The alleged comments by Crawford before the hit.
The juggling of the lines to get tougher players on the ice against Moore all game.
Putting May and Bertuzzi on the ice at the end.
It adds up to Crawford wanting somebody to get at Moore, now Moore did not deserve what happened to him. But, clearly Crawford made sure the tougher players had a chance to "make him pay a price". A price only Crawford knew, because had Moore paid that price Crawford wanted him to pay earlier in the game, no way Bertuzzi and May are on the ice together and go after him at the end of a game that was clearly over, but the time had not run out.
Though not liable for Moore's injuries directly Crawford does have some issues to bare.
So by your logic, "pay the price"=broken neck + concussion.???
I took a lot of math in school, but I don't see how these equate.
Ask any attorney, and they want to go after the DEEP POCKETS.
Break your leg on the street, they don't sue the homeless guy who built a cardboard house you fell over, they sue the CITY, or the BANK OF AMERICA you fell in front of. The homeless guy is at fault, but he has nothing to give you, save some dirty underwear and an old pickle jar full of...
I'll sue you, and you sue me, and then I will counter sue someone else, because my attorney, my agent, and my insurance guy told me I have to to cover my ass.
It is all ridiculous. Bert has money, Crawford has money, Orca Bay has money, etc. etc.
How many careers were ruined in Football by shots to the knee or head? How many bean balls in baseball cost a guy his career? Are we now saying that all these people should be suing each other over what happened on the field of play? STUPID!
So the next time your kids gets hit on the elbow in a Little League baseball game, call Larry Parker and sue the pitcher, his coach, his pitching coach, the whole Little League, the city you play in, and anyone else who was watching the game in the stands, BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THE INSANITY.
Yes, I have seen the video several times, and I should have said that the punch probably did not break Moore's neck. How many times have you ever heard of somebody breaking their neck from a punch? How many boxers/wrestlers/IFCers have suffered a broken neck? I have never (aside from this incident) heard of that happening, but I have heard of people falling on their neck/back and breaking it. My theory is that Bertuzzi knocked Moore unconscious with the punch, and the force of Bertuzzi and the Av's player landing on Moore's back/neck is what broke it.
The main point I wanted to get across was that all of the suing and counter-suing is ridiculous.
Nothing to do with the Avs players. Didn't help, but you can tell it breaks when that ahole lands on him.
The suit against Crawford is absurd. Moore's suit it legit.
Are we at the point where coaches have to tell their players "don't jump him from behind, slamming his body face-first in to the ice"? Basically that's what Todd is alleged. Since Mark didn't tell him NOT to do it, it's MC's fault.
My boss didn't say I couldn't murder people, so it's his fault that I did. He didn't cover all his bases, it's his fault he let this happen, I simply played by the rules he gave and didn't give to me.
So by your logic, "pay the price"=broken neck + concussion.???
I took a lot of math in school, but I don't see how these equate.
Well, the real question is probably going to come down to whether Bertuzzi's actions and the resulting injury were reasonably foreseeable when Crawford told the team Moore should "pay the price." I don't know Canadian law, so I don't know what their negligence standard is. But if I was Crawford's attorney, I'd be arguing that Bertuzzi's criminal actions were an intervening factor that diminish or completely eliminate Crawford's liability. Was it foreseeable that one of the players would do something that caused injury to Moore? Sure - a hard check, a fight, etc. could very well cause injury. But did he intend for Bertuzzi to grab and sucker punch Moore, then fall on top of him and continue punching him as he was already unconcious? I think those actions go a step too far and could diminish, if not entirely eliminate, Crawford's liability in this.
Then again, I'm a contracts and IP lawyer, not a torts lawyer. Some of my torts bretheren might have a different take.
RockPile
