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Originally Posted by dano Grebeshkov was in his 3rd season when he was traded to the Islanders. They brought him up to the kings before the trade and he was

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Old January 19th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #37
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Grebeshkov was in his 3rd season when he was traded to the Islanders. They brought him up to the kings before the trade and he was terrible. He would have been subject to waivers the following season and clearly wasn't ready for full-time play in the NHL at that point. However, he wouldn't have cleared waivers and DT would have lost him for nothing...

Also, it was clear that Grebeshkov was looking for a one-way NHL contract or he was going to return to Russia (which he did). DT did what he needed to do as far as Grebeshkov is concerned...
And dano,the normal voice of reason, returns once again set the story straight.

And jt's comments are spot on. Sure it was a desparation move but the chance to make $1 million a home date in the playoffs were the main reason for doing this deal. Parrish appeared to act like a petulant child and did do a thing to help his new team.

To me giving up Grebeshkov, with his one-way contract demands and his bad performance with the big club, always made me suspect. Giving up Tambellini was the thing I didn't like.

Nothing like whining about the past. I would think most Kings fans would stop thinking about the past with the team's history. The only thing I think of is a curved stick from 1993 and hit post by Smolinski in Colorado.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:31 PM   #38
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At the time it looked pretty good for the Kings. In hindsight, not so good.
But why? What have Grebeshkov and/or Tambellini actually done to label it a bad trade?
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1. Most people here did not like the trade.
2. LA fans were not impatient with Grebs, Manchester fans were. They were the ones that got to see him play day after day. He is still unimpressive.
3. Losing Tambellini was the part most were upset with. Yet, he still hasn't been able to stick on the Isle. Still, only more time will tell if he will be a good NHLer.
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Well said.
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But on what basis do you think Grebeshkov was a fairly highly regarded prospect? I believe the opposite was true and that his value was pretty minimal. In the end the Isles traded him for a one-dimensional Dman (Bergeron) who was addition by subtraction and a 3rd rounder. My prediction is that eventually Grebeshkov will be seen in the same light as Bergeron.
I guess it all comes down to your thinking at the time. I was ready for DT to become a major seller and not a buyer. I know Grebeshkov had been up and not played very well, but I would have rather seen him moved for a 2nd round pick than to take Sopel and a rental power forward. He still had value and as a prospect. Again, I wasn't against moving the kid, I was not happy with the return on the investment.

I am thankful that the organization has finally moved into the "it's ok to suck for awhile, and rebuild mode". Maybe having that last gasp with DT trying in vain to make the playoffs was what it took for them to finally realize. That and probably not being able to sign any of the big name free agents that have been out there over the last couple of summers has probably forced Lieweke's hand and made him accept Lombardi's plan for a rebuild even though it wasn't the one that was originally approved.

I for one am glad that Lombardi presented them with Plan A, B, and C, and that it has turned out to be Plan C that has been implemented. The organization is going to be much healthier for years to come, because of it.
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Do you see a parallel with Lauri Tukonen?
In some cases yes. Brought over at a young age, injury in the first season here, and inconsistent play over a few AHL seasons come to mind. I'll be surprised if Tukonen is in the Kings system much longer...
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In some cases yes. Brought over at a young age, injury in the first season here, and inconsistent play over a few AHL seasons come to mind. I'll be surprised if Tukonen is in the Kings system much longer...
I hope we get a better return this time around...
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I hope we get a better return this time around...
Something more in line with what Lombardi got for Pushkarev?
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Something more in line with what Lombardi got for Pushkarev?
Good God, I hope that Tukonen as a former 11th overall pick has, at the very least, slightly more value than Pushkarev had.
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Good God, I hope that Tukonen as a former 11th overall pick has, at the very least, slightly more value than Pushkarev had.
Tukonen hasn't done much since being drafted 11th overall...
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Looking at that draft year its apparent it was a pretty weak year. Tukonen may end up being a bust but there are really only 4 other 1st rders to make any type of mark in Radulov, Wolski, Meszaros and this years Cinderella story Mike Green.
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