Our sniper, Cammalleri...

[MuPPeT666]

OK, first thing first, this is NOT a thread how MC sucks and should be traded for a bag of pucks.

Oh, and BEFORE you flame away, read the WHOLE post.


So...

Since he got back into action, he has zero goals, and three assists. Fine, value is not dropping TOO much...

But the problem is...he had good chances vs. NJ and RW as far as I know, and now against the BJs, he had two or three 100% chances, TIME to shoot, SPACE to shoot. NO interference. He was even on his knees! And yet he didn't score...

Now the problem is: If people are defending his one-dimensionality, greediness (GLFG ) and other flaws with the fact that he is arguably the only real SNIPER on this team, I would REALLY want to see this helluva sniper score on a chances he should!

I know that he was injured, but he was on IR for LONG time, and I'm sure it was just so he recovers 100%, not just 75% or something like that.


If he is considered a sniper, he just HAS to score on opportunities like the ones he had against BJ. At least on ONE.

For Christ's sake, players are called snipers if they are able to actually put the puck in the net on a regular basis, let alone to score from uninterfered shots with perfect sight on goal and no sticks in the way and about 8 feet from goal!



Oh, and BEFORE you flame away, read the WHOLE post. (Yes, I wrote this TWICE.)

[rajuabju]

Not a flame, but my guess.... let's wait another few games and see if this post is still relevant (or even necessary).

Dude just came back from a painful rib injury. He might not even be at 100%, you dont know that. And Crow has been switching the lines like a mad man, so Cammy hasnt really been given a chance to get into a groove yet.

Cammy is a goal scorer. This team needs him (or someone like him). He's a finisher. Give him a good centerman, stick him on the #2 line with Fro, and we have an amazing set of top 6 forwards.

[boro_slo]

Well one problem with injury is that u cant practice, so if i would want to defend him I would say his stamina isnt where its supose to be. Have to look his minutes but if i would have to bet on what his problem is it would have to be shortnes of breath. And im realy more pissed off when Preisisng doesnt score on 100% than Cammy.

[MuPPeT666]

Rajuabju, what you wrote TOTALLY missed my point.


Injury MAYBE has something to do with it. But it's unlikely, because as I said, he had quite a lot of time to recover properly...
IMO, getting into the groove doesn't affect it THAT much.
Linemates don't affect my point at all.


Again, my point was:
He missed a must-score chances. Must-score for almost any top 6 forward, but ESPECIALLY for a player that people here think Cammy is.

Go to nhl.com and watch the highlights.

I'm not saying he should score like a mad man, with great dekes and slapshots from the circle and all...

[rajuabju]

Originally Posted by MuPPeT666

Rajuabju, what you wrote TOTALLY missed my point.


Injury MAYBE has something to do with it. But it's unlikely, because as I said, he had quite a lot of time to recover properly...
IMO, getting into the groove doesn't affect it THAT much.
Linemates don't affect my point at all.


Again, my point was:
He missed a must-score chances. Must-score for almost any top 6 forward, but ESPECIALLY for a player that people here think Cammy is.

Go to nhl.com and watch the highlights.

I'm not saying he should score like a mad man, with great dekes and slapshots from the circle and all...

Perhaps, but I think you also might have missed my point.... You have no idea whether or not Cammy is 100% healthy as of right now. What if the guy is so dedicated that he wanted to come back at only 90% or 75% or whatever. The fact is, unless it comes straight from his mouth, we just dont know (and even then, players often dont want to state exactly the extent of their injury).

If you're talking about him missing a great scoring chance (which I do agree, he has), (a) linemates and getting into the groove of things DO affect a player (my opinion, of course). (b) it DOES take a player a while to get his timing back and (c) its only been just a few games. Which is why I thought that if we give him a few more games, another week or two, I have no doubt Cammy will be back to scoring goals regularly.

[MuPPeT666]

I agree, but not with everything. Yes of course I have no idea about his health, but IMO, he's quite close to 100%. But well, I'll give up on this one...

Just take a look at two scoring chances he had. ONLY scoring chances. Linemates DON'T count. Timing? Well, depends...he HAD enough time to shoot the puck PROPERLY.


And again: My ORIGINAL point was that if goalscoring is Cammy's main ability, and if he's one-dimensional player, he MUST score on CHANCES like he had REGARDLESS what his health status is and what linemates he has IN ORDER TO prove he is worthy of a payrise/stay.

I'm not claiming he should be scoring hatties every night, I'm not even claiming he should score a goal every game, I'm just claiming that a player that is considered a sniper MUST NOT miss opportunities like Cammalleri did.

We are talking about OPPORTUNITIES he had and missed. We are not talking about how he should get opportunities like those and score.


You obviously wouldn't bash Purcell for missing that opportunity he had in his first game, when he was even interfered by a D-man. It's CAMMALLERI, sniper, we are talking about, and missing at least TWO shots when he was neither interfered, obstructed, blocked, nothing. Just him and the goalie, 8 feet apart.

[TooCool]

Muppet, it just sounds like you're looking for ANY kind of reason to bash Cammy here. Yeah, point blank scoring chances., he being the sniper that he is, and so on.

But again, you seem to ignore the fact that he may not be 100% and you have nothing to prove that he IS near 100%. I'm sure there are tons of hockey players of Cammy's calibur who wouldn't necessarily score in those opportunities as well. This is hockey we're talking about. It really depends on the goalie's positioning as well. You can be wide open and have time to shoot, but keep in mind there is a guy standing in front of the net. We're not talking about basketball here where you're shooting an unguarded shot like a free throw.

Give him another 2 weeks. If Cammy still can't score in point blank opportunites, then feel free to make another thread about this.

[Dave]

Trade him!

[MuPPeT666]

Originally Posted by TooCool

Muppet, it just sounds like you're looking for ANY kind of reason to bash Cammy here. Yeah, point blank scoring chances., he being the sniper that he is, and so on.

But again, you seem to ignore the fact that he may not be 100% and you have nothing to prove that he IS near 100%. I'm sure there are tons of hockey players of Cammy's calibur who wouldn't necessarily score in those opportunities as well. This is hockey we're talking about. It really depends on the goalie's positioning as well. You can be wide open and have time to shoot, but keep in mind there is a guy standing in front of the net. We're not talking about basketball here where you're shooting an unguarded shot like a free throw.

Give him another 2 weeks. If Cammy still can't score in point blank opportunites, then feel free to make another thread about this.

No.


And yes, I'm definitely going to wait, as I'm not the GM to make a trade and I'm not a retart that would run this show FOR two weeks...

And I DID say "OK, I give up on the injury argument"...

But IF he will do it at least once a game, to miss a chance like that, even after 2 weeks, I will be FULLY on a trade Cammalleri bandwagon, because if he continues with this ****, he's no sniper at all.


@Dave - Can't you read?! Where did I say "Trade him"?! I even said "This is NOT a thread about whether he should be traded or not".

[hockeybum21]

What you don't think EVERY NHL player has missed point blank before? I bet you we could go to Detroit/Ottawa/Anaheim... Let's ask Kovalchuk or Ovechkin, they seem to have tons of goals. Why don't we ask them if they score EVERY time they have an oppurtonity or if sometimes... what's that phrase "**** happens" and they miss, maybe they whiff or break a stick or get robbed by the goalie, or just plain miss where they're aiming. I bet you Jagr, Heatley, Spezza, Forsberg all have at one point or another in their NHL career.

Maybe the fact that I coach has led me to believe that hell sometimes people just make mistakes and miss an oppurtonity here and there, but I'm willing to wager that he makes those shots in the near future.

[afx114]

Anyone who has actually played hockey knows that groove/timing is VERY important, and can take a while to pick back up again after a long hiatus. It's not like riding a bike... you don't just get back into the swing of things like nothing ever happened. There are intangibles that only come back after getting into the rhythm of the game once again. Small things, like how much you angle the face of your stick when taking a shot, have a huge impact on whether or not that shot goes in. That is why hockey is a game of MILLIMETERS, not inches. It requires some serious fine-tuning.

That said, 'how long' varies from player to player and some can get back on the horse after only a couple games. Look at Frolov. Took him a while to get back up to speed, but now he's an absolute monster. Who knows with Squid? Has he ever had an extended hiatus like this before?