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Originally Posted by PuckHead27 They're all staying at a Motel 6 somewhere in Colorado and they don't have an internet connection there. Most laptops don't have a

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Old March 12th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #37
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They're all staying at a Motel 6 somewhere in Colorado and they don't have an internet connection there.

Most laptops don't have a port for a Dixie cup and string...
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Old March 12th, 2008, 10:11 PM   #38
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A sports (or any other type of column) is by definition an editorial. Facts are unneeded.
i teach journalism for a living.

you're wrong.




and, chartist10, there's no legal or ethical reason you can't reproduce the entire email here. or anywhere else, for that matter. in fact, i'd really like to see how he rationalizes some pretty ****ing bad journalistic practices.
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They're all staying at a Motel 6 somewhere in Colorado and they don't have an internet connection there.

We're staying at a Super 8, thank you very much.
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i teach journalism for a living.

you're wrong.




and, chartist10, there's no legal or ethical reason you can't reproduce the entire email here. or anywhere else, for that matter. in fact, i'd really like to see how he rationalizes some pretty ****ing bad journalistic practices.
Sports writers get more leeway than news writers to let editorial comment seep into news articles.

As for columns - be they sports, weather, food, movies, politics, etc need to be based on facts. They can interepret those facts and spin them any way they want but they cannot be knowingly based on information that is false.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #41
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THIS POST SUMS IT UP..... You put the nail in the coffin in it all and this is the ONLY POST the last few days that makes sense(seems everyone dont see the big picture of the game cause there heads so clouded with negativity. ....
Thanks, Dad ... or Mom (I've never met anybody here so I better not go automatically assuming male gender anymore).
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Old March 13th, 2008, 12:07 AM   #42
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Sports writers get more leeway than news writers to let editorial comment seep into news articles.

As for columns - be they sports, weather, food, movies, politics, etc need to be based on facts. They can interepret those facts and spin them any way they want but they cannot be knowingly based on information that is false.
funny, those years i spent as a sports writer, nobody told me i was allowed to editorialize. oh, right, now i remember... i WASN'T allowed to editorialize.
columns cannot be spun "any way they want." you can express an opinion, so long as there is a factual basis for it. facts and reasonable inferences from facts. that's what you get in column writing.

maybe i failed to mention... I TEACH JOURNALISM FOR A LIVING.
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He forgot to say " I'm a Canuck!"

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"You misunderstand my reference to purgatory. It's not LA or the Kings -- it's the minors and the injured list. You are entirely correct, however, about the one-sidedness. I am a columnist. I can be one-sided when it suits me. I didn't set out to write a balanced news story presenting both sides' version of the "facts"; I told Cloutier's story from Cloutier's perspective and I think his disillusionment and disappointment came through.
As to the damaged goods argument, it's been floated before but I don't subscribe to it for this reason: the Canucks traded Cloutier only because they got Luongo and had they known there was anything wrong with their long-time starter's hip, they'd had months to treat it during Cloutier's extended absence due to knee surgery in 2005-06."

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funny, those years i spent as a sports writer, nobody told me i was allowed to editorialize. oh, right, now i remember... i WASN'T allowed to editorialize.
columns cannot be spun "any way they want." you can express an opinion, so long as there is a factual basis for it. facts and reasonable inferences from facts. that's what you get in column writing.

maybe i failed to mention... I TEACH JOURNALISM FOR A LIVING.
What are you going to do for a living when they fire you from the journalism teaching gig? (Aren't you supposed to teach "capitalize the first letter of your sentences" in the first week of J school?)

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It would be courteous to warn them that their comments might end up on an internet message board ("Unless I hear otherwise from you by ___ am/pm on __ March 2008, I assume I have permission to post your comments on www.letsgokings.com.")
Would it be courteous? Yes.

Would I extend that courtesy to this person? No.

First of all, I feel he lost all rights of courtesy when he decided to take a one sided slant and publish an article portraying the Kings as some puppy mill for goaltenders. People who act like him, and write articles with that attitude, are the kind who make enemies in the journalistic "profession" (and I use that term loosely, considering the subject). He's apparently never gotten a lesson, or if he has, he didn't learn the first time. So... why should he be extended the courtesy?

Secondly, he could have just been just as courteous (as well as a little more professional) if he had contacted the Kings organization to hear their side. Maybe he did contact them, but he still felt entitled to write it with the angle he wrote it in. That's his right, but again, he can't keep that attitude and think everyone will be friendly and courteous with him in return.
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