Want less ads?
Join Team LGK
for only $5


Official LA Kings Shop

LA Kings Hats icon
Men's Apparel icon
Women's Apparel icon
Kid's Wear icon
Collectibles and Memorabilia icon
Home / Office icon
Toys and Games icon
DVD's and CD's icon
Kings Gifts icon
Kings Auctions
Hockey Books
Entertainment Books

iPod Connection
LGK T-Shirts

NHL Personal Checks


Tag Cloud
2008 acquire avery back big birthday blake blues call cammalleri camp coach coyotes crawford cup day deal dean derby dolls doughty draft ducks final flames free game go kings happy head hockey inside interview jersey july kings lgk lombardi lubo make mccain news nhl obama penguins pick picks play prospects question rob round season sharks sign signs stamkos stanley team teubert thread times today top trade video visnovsky wings year years
Rinkrat's iPod  



Go Back   Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum > LetsGoKings.com > LA Kings Talk
Register GalleryBlogs FAQ Calendar Arcade Wagering

Notices


Thank you for crosschecking our sponsors!

About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum.
Handzus has the potential to be fully healthy, and settled into this team next year. the more I think about this one, the more I realize Lombardi may have figured

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old January 13th, 2008, 10:26 AM   #1
See You All At FF11
 
K 4 L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,754
Thanks: 17
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
K 4 L has a reputation beyond repute
K 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond reputeK 4 L has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 2,517, Level: 11
Points: 2,517, Level: 11 Points: 2,517, Level: 11 Points: 2,517, Level: 11
Level up: 67%, 133 Points needed
Level up: 67% Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Activity: 2%
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
View My Youtube Videos
Default Lombardi's plan with Handzus

Handzus has the potential to be fully healthy, and settled into this team next year. the more I think about this one, the more I realize Lombardi may have figured he would be a bit slow for up to half of the season, and he was able to live with that because they werent going to contend anyway, but next year we might be able to see what this guy can really do, and flashes of it late in this season.



2002-03, Goals 23, Assists 21
2003-04, Goals 20, Assists 38
2005-06, Goals 11, Assists 33

Now that would be some secondary scoring to put behind Kopitar, Frolov, Brown, Cammy if he is not dealt, and hopefully OSullivan will come around big time also. Not that scoring is even a huge problem, because this team is going to be lethal offensively in the coming years, but Lombardi played his cards with Handzus just right in my opinion.
K 4 L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 10:47 AM   #2
2nd Scoring Line
 
tkell00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 321
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
tkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond reputetkell00 has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 797, Level: 6
Points: 797, Level: 6 Points: 797, Level: 6 Points: 797, Level: 6
Level up: 24%, 153 Points needed
Level up: 24% Level up: 24% Level up: 24%
Activity: 3%
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
Default

great rationalization--I like it and subscribe to it as well- he works hard every night and I think at 100% he is a force--he already is oneo f our top pk guys!
tkell00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:15 AM   #3
Waiver Wire Pick-up
 
doubleblumpkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
doubleblumpkin is on a distinguished road


Awards Showcase
Points: 600, Level: 5
Points: 600, Level: 5 Points: 600, Level: 5 Points: 600, Level: 5
Level up: 25%, 150 Points needed
Level up: 25% Level up: 25% Level up: 25%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Default

I like what he can do fully healthy. I like the whole team (except Modry of course) and my main concern is just the coaching. I don't think Crawford fits this team. We need new coaching, not different players. I wouldn't mind pawning Blake off if we could get around that no trade clause, but we'll see what happens.
doubleblumpkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:26 AM   #4
We-ah We-ah We-ah da Mods
 
RockPile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 854
Thanks: 43
Thanked 33 Times in 1 Post
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Contributing Member
Karma:
RockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond repute
RockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 2,735, Level: 12
Points: 2,735, Level: 12 Points: 2,735, Level: 12 Points: 2,735, Level: 12
Level up: 22%, 315 Points needed
Level up: 22% Level up: 22% Level up: 22%
Activity: 17%
Activity: 17% Activity: 17% Activity: 17%
Default

I'm definitely willing to wait to see what he can bring next year before passing judgement. I believe his procedure was done in November of 2006. It's been a little over one year. I can see him improving dramatically by then. I think it's too soon to grade him and I suspect that any possible dissappointment will be from physical limitation over anything else.
RockPile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #5
All Star
 
KingBiscuit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 5,636
Thanks: 1
Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
KingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond repute
KingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond reputeKingBiscuit has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 6,259, Level: 18
Points: 6,259, Level: 18 Points: 6,259, Level: 18 Points: 6,259, Level: 18
Level up: 85%, 91 Points needed
Level up: 85% Level up: 85% Level up: 85%
Activity: 4%
Activity: 4% Activity: 4% Activity: 4%
Default

I was on board with the signing the day it happened, but thought it should have been more like 3 years, 3 million a year, not 4 years, 4 million a year.

I can't imagine another team would have given him more than that. I just hope his play gets a level better than it has been. There was a few game stretch where he was good, but has seemed to not quite be there lately.
KingBiscuit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #6
Learn from the Senators
 
King'sPawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 6,616
Thanks: 6
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
King'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond repute
King'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 7,255, Level: 20
Points: 7,255, Level: 20 Points: 7,255, Level: 20 Points: 7,255, Level: 20
Level up: 30%, 495 Points needed
Level up: 30% Level up: 30% Level up: 30%
Activity: 35%
Activity: 35% Activity: 35% Activity: 35%
Default

Most importantly, he can mentor the kids on how to rock a mullet.

King'sPawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #7
We-ah We-ah We-ah da Mods
 
RockPile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 854
Thanks: 43
Thanked 33 Times in 1 Post
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Contributing Member
Karma:
RockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond repute
RockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 2,735, Level: 12
Points: 2,735, Level: 12 Points: 2,735, Level: 12 Points: 2,735, Level: 12
Level up: 22%, 315 Points needed
Level up: 22% Level up: 22% Level up: 22%
Activity: 17%
Activity: 17% Activity: 17% Activity: 17%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by doubleblumpkin View Post
I like what he can do fully healthy. I like the whole team (except Modry of course) and my main concern is just the coaching. I don't think Crawford fits this team. We need new coaching, not different players. I wouldn't mind pawning Blake off if we could get around that no trade clause, but we'll see what happens.
Modry is Modry. It was a choice between Miller for 2 years and Modry for one. Miller missed a lot of games to injury so far this season as well. Modry was ideal for pairing with JMFJ at the beginning of the season because he is all about positioning. All in all, I'd say they made the right choice.
RockPile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:36 AM   #8
We-ah We-ah We-ah da Mods
 
RockPile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 854
Thanks: 43
Thanked 33 Times in 1 Post
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Contributing Member
Karma:
RockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond repute
RockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond reputeRockPile has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 2,735, Level: 12
Points: 2,735, Level: 12 Points: 2,735, Level: 12 Points: 2,735, Level: 12
Level up: 22%, 315 Points needed
Level up: 22% Level up: 22% Level up: 22%
Activity: 17%
Activity: 17% Activity: 17% Activity: 17%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by King'sPawn View Post
Most importantly, he can mentor the kids on how to rock a mullet.

Mullet Power! I can see it now, the Mullet Line.
RockPile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #9
3rd Line Role Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 79
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
acrahm will become famous soon enough


Awards Showcase
Points: 1,919, Level: 10
Points: 1,919, Level: 10 Points: 1,919, Level: 10 Points: 1,919, Level: 10
Level up: 18%, 331 Points needed
Level up: 18% Level up: 18% Level up: 18%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Default

i think one thing alot are forgetting is handzus true value, it isnt to put up 20-30 goals 50-60 points, but his 2 way game and how to be a professional. i think its worth it to have a guy like this to show the 4-5 young guys we have what it means to be a professional.
acrahm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 12:00 PM   #10
A dish best served cold..
 
Creeping Death's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 5,368
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Crosschecks: 1
High Scores 0
Karma:
Creeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond repute
Creeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond reputeCreeping Death has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Member of the Week LGK Annual Award 
Total Awards: 2
Points: 6,539, Level: 19
Points: 6,539, Level: 19 Points: 6,539, Level: 19 Points: 6,539, Level: 19
Level up: 27%, 511 Points needed
Level up: 27% Level up: 27% Level up: 27%
Activity: 5%
Activity: 5% Activity: 5% Activity: 5%
Default

GP 46
+/- -14
FO% 45.59
PK% 77% (29th place)

Those are the stats you judge Handzus on. Im not even going to bother with Points are offensive stats. He has been inadequate all season in everything he is suppose to be doing "average".

I don't mean to be Debbie Downer, but even if he improves on his game, we are looking at an average 3rd line shutdown centerman. 4mil/season is too much to be spending on your number 3 center, especially when he isn't putting up any points. Lombardi's plan was extremely risky, and he will be lucky to break even. DL would be wise to move Handzus if someone made a halfway decent offer.
Creeping Death is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #11
Crow held me back!
 
Wolvie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,899
Thanks: 33
Thanked 55 Times in 8 Posts
Images: 2
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
Wolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond repute
Wolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond reputeWolvie has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Bronze Hall of Fame Award 
Total Awards: 1
Points: 7,694, Level: 20
Points: 7,694, Level: 20 Points: 7,694, Level: 20 Points: 7,694, Level: 20
Level up: 92%, 56 Points needed
Level up: 92% Level up: 92% Level up: 92%
Activity: 29%
Activity: 29% Activity: 29% Activity: 29%
Default

He was a good faceoff man at one point, best on the Flyers one season. I'm genuinely disappointed with that aspect of his game. Totally unacceptable for a defensive centerman to win <50% of his faceoffs, and I'm not sure how his recuperation can easily explain this aspect of his game being so far off for so long.
Wolvie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #12
Learn from the Senators
 
King'sPawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 6,616
Thanks: 6
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
King'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond repute
King'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond reputeKing'sPawn has a reputation beyond repute


Awards Showcase
Points: 7,255, Level: 20
Points: 7,255, Level: 20 Points: 7,255, Level: 20 Points: 7,255, Level: 20
Level up: 30%, 495 Points needed
Level up: 30% Level up: 30% Level up: 30%
Activity: 35%
Activity: 35% Activity: 35% Activity: 35%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Creeping Death View Post
GP 46
+/- -14
FO% 45.59
PK% 77% (29th place)

Those are the stats you judge Handzus on. Im not even going to bother with Points are offensive stats. He has been inadequate all season in everything he is suppose to be doing "average".

I don't mean to be Debbie Downer, but even if he improves on his game, we are looking at an average 3rd line shutdown centerman. 4mil/season is too much to be spending on your number 3 center, especially when he isn't putting up any points. Lombardi's plan was extremely risky, and he will be lucky to break even. DL would be wise to move Handzus if someone made a halfway decent offer.
While his FO% is very poor, those other stats are TEAM stats. First of all, +/- is one of the dumbest statistics ever. I thought I knew you better than to use it for any basis of an argument.

And PK%... is Handzus out there for every PK? Is he responsible for every PP goal scored?

Sorry, you can argue he could put up better numbers, but he's far from one of the problems with the veterans.
King'sPawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 13th, 2008, 12:26 PM   #13
Exotika!
 
gescom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 19,431
Thanks: 31
Thanked 125 Times in 20 Posts
Crosschecks: 0
High Scores 0
Karma:
gescom has a reputation beyond reputegescom has a reputation beyond reputegescom has a reputation beyond reputegescom has a reputation beyond repute