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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by 236nOT
Myths from this thread debunked!
FREE AGENTS DO NOT COST PICKS OR PLAYERS, TRADES DO!
I'm upset that ownership won't spend to the limit but they
FREE AGENTS DO NOT COST PICKS OR PLAYERS, TRADES DO!
I'm upset that ownership won't spend to the limit but they sure as hell charge to the limit.
THE KINGS ARE DESIGNED TO APPEAR UNPROFITABLE!
But in reality the Kings are paying a fortune in rent to plat at Staples Center. Huzzah! The owner of Staples Center and the Kings one and the same. Thus, the Kings at face value are not profitable why Staples Center makes an absolute mint. It's just a facade, without the Kings would the Staples Center really be able to sell 46 dates of equal profitability? Would they get that money in advance? Hell no.
AEG GAVE DL PERMISSION TO SPEND UP TO THE CAP!! dl isn't getting in over his head salary wise so he doesnt have to trade away kopi, sully, fro, jmfj, etc... in the future.
Seriously, since the UFAs we are getting are mediocre anyway (and I definitely include Blake in that category) just pay them an extra $200K a season and forget the NTCs.
AEG GAVE DL PERMISSION TO SPEND UP TO THE CAP!! dl isn't getting in over his head salary wise so he doesnt have to trade away kopi, sully, fro, jmfj, etc... in the future.
ePatt,
Who told the fans that?
-Lombardi
And who does Lombardi work for?
-AEG
And is it good for Lombardi to say anything besides that?
-No.
Is he begging to be fired and never work in hockey again?
-No.
Is that what would happen if he said anything to the contrary?
-Yes
Lombardi's not a fool. The Kings aren't going to let him spend to the limit unless he recommends it and he's not going to recommend it unless they're guranteed to get to the playoffs and get that money back. His job is to make money for AEG by building the best Kings roster he can with little enough money to not get himself fired.
Lombardi's priorities
#1 Not get fired for pissing away the boss' money.
#2 Buy enough time and trust to build credibility through perceived success or limited failure.
#3 Spend the money when the team and I have a good chance of not getting canned.
Last edited by 236nOT; February 26th, 2008 at 08:07 PM.
FREE AGENTS DO NOT COST PICKS OR PLAYERS, TRADES DO!
I'm upset that ownership won't spend to the limit but they sure as hell charge to the limit.
THE KINGS ARE DESIGNED TO APPEAR UNPROFITABLE!
But in reality the Kings are paying a fortune in rent to plat at Staples Center. Huzzah! The owner of Staples Center and the Kings are one and the same. Thus, the Kings at face value are not profitable why Staples Center makes an absolute mint. It's just a facade, without the Kings would the Staples Center really be able to sell 46 dates of equal profitability? Would they get that money in advance? Hell no. Wake up!
There's no excuse for charging the price the Kings charge and flaking out on the ice. As Kings fans we are far too lenient. We've sucked for too long. We have no expectations. We've been taken advantage of and it's happened again this year. The least we can do is be aware of it and voice our opinion so that when the time comes management doesn't cry poor like they have in the past.
The KINGS are designed to create a long term succesful franchise
Tell us how you really feel about it. I get that you are frustrated. That's why you are a fan(atic). But it's no secret the Staples Center makes money.
I'll just ask why they can't run a sound business? You don't have to show up or watch or do anything that adds to their profitability if it bothers you that much. For the amount of risk they take they deserve a good return. I'd sure be pissed if people started telling me that I made too much money in my business and I didn't deserve it.
And actually, I think the Kings finally have the stability and smarts to build a winner instead of running a team that deperately changes direction every other year and comes up short on both wins and profit. Good thing the GM is patient. I'd hate to see what happens if he was desperate. Oh wait... the last 40 years were what happens when you are desperate.
The KINGS are designed to create a long term succesful franchise
Tell us how you really feel about it. I get that you are frustrated. That's why you are a fan(atic). But it's no secret the Staples Center makes money.
I'll just ask why they can't run a sound business? You don't have to show up or watch or do anything that adds to their profitability if it bothers you that much. For the amount of risk they take they deserve a good return. I'd sure be pissed if people started telling me that I made too much money in my business and I didn't deserve it.
And actually, I think the Kings finally have the stability and smarts to build a winner instead of running a team that deperately changes direction every other year and comes up short on both wins and profit. Good thing the GM is patient. I'd hate to see what happens if he was desperate. Oh wait... the last 40 years were what happens when you are desperate.
TOM,
There is no risk, they get the money in advance. (Season Seat Money)
The Kings/Staples/AEG are incredibly profitable, only the names are changed. AEG owns both companies yet one is a slave to the other? Why? Because of the Kings higher profile and public expectation attached to them. By manipulating the relationsip between two supposedly separate entities (Staples and LAKHC) they have designed the Kings to look less profitable to the average fan and thus have lessened expectations, a fan perspective which to them is more profitable since it allows them to spend under the cap without any negative public image.
And is it good for Lombardi to say anything besides that?
-No.
Is he begging to be fired and never work in hockey again?
-No.
Is that what would happen if he said anything to the contrary?
-Yes
Lombardi's not a fool. The Kings aren't going to let him spend to the limit unless he recommends it and he's not going to recommend it unless they're guranteed to get to the playoffs and get that money back. His job is to make money for AEG by building the best Kings roster he can with little enough money to not get himself fired.
Lombardi's priorities
#1 Not get fired for pissing away the boss' money.
#2 Buy enough time and trust to build credibility through perceived success or limited failure.
#3 Spend the money when the team and I have a good chance of not getting canned.
so youre speculating that lombardi is blowing smoke up our ass, and that aeg didnt really give him permission to spend up to the cap?
your argument makes sense, but i just dont think its the case with why we are so far under the cap.
lombardi is pretty darn good with the cap, plus it helps that a few of our young studs are still on entry level deals, and fro is like the biggest discount in the nhl.
Can Dean Lombardi spend to the cap? Certainly, he's not a liar. We know the answer already. Let's ask a real question.
Is Dean Lombardi stupid enough to spend to the cap?
No. Now, granted he could, he has permission but that statement should come with the qualifier, "if you spend to the cap and don't have success I will fire your ass and hire someone who knows better than to call my bluff." Dean can read between the lines. He knows it's better for himself to be patient, buy some his time and then ask for the money when he really thinks he has a good chance of spending it and not getting fired. So, in that case it's not like he doesn't have permission, it's just that he wants to keep his job.
Last edited by 236nOT; February 26th, 2008 at 09:03 PM.
We will have to get some UFA's this summer...or make a blockbuster trade. We are awful in goal and on the blueline.
We still have arguably the worst goaltending tandem in the league. Bernier is not the answer. He needs to develop in the AHL for a few years.
As mentioned above, we have only four d-men on contact--none are particularly physical. I don't think we have depth in Manchester for us to promote to fill Stuart/Blake's spot and be effective over an entire NHL season.
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