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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. I'm surprised that these threads about our goalies came after the Detroit game...
I wonder why...
Oh wait...is it called overreacting?!
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no goalie (in hockey...) or goalie coach but the wraparound goal in the Detroit game seemed pretty weak to me. It's something I notice Labarbera having trouble with frequently. When he goes down in the butterfly and has to move from one post to the other he always stand up and skates over and goes back in the butterfly. Shouldn't he be able to push off of one post and slide to the other?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no goalie (in hockey...) or goalie coach but the wraparound goal in the Detroit game seemed pretty weak to me. It's something I notice Labarbera having trouble with frequently. When he goes down in the butterfly and has to move from one post to the other he always stand up and skates over and goes back in the butterfly. Shouldn't he be able to push off of one post and slide to the other?
No, you're not wrong.
It was pretty weak, to go with other weak tendencies.
And once JLB goes down, he seems to stay down until the puck is in the net. Stand TF up once in a while!
If I remember the play you're talking about correctly, he over-commited to a player coming down the right side. You want to be aggressive, but he was perhaps a little too aggressive, which lead him to have to scramble to get back to the other post. That was a mis-read on his part, but if I remember correctly, he got burned on a goal previous to that one by leaving the near post too early. So he basically over-corrected for a previous mistake and got burned again. However, in the case of an offensive player swooping around the goal for a wrap around, you'd like to have one of your d-men cover that spot just by forcing the offensive player out towards the side boards. All in all, I'd say it was 50% Labs fault for being overly aggressive and putting himself out of position, and 50% fault of the defense for not covering said offensive player.
Keep in mind this is just off of memory. I haven't watched that game since it aired.
Oh, and as a general rule, I'd make a post-to-post slide if a player is swooping behind the net. This is very effective for wrap arounds, however you can't have strength without giving up a weakness. The weakness of this move is that it leaves the top portion of the net wide open. If the offensive player doesn't go for a wrap around and instead holds it and picks a corner, the goalie has to sprawl and hopefully get a glove on the shot. This is why the d-men are very important in a play like that. They create time and space for the goalie to get best position. If they goalie doesn't leave his skates and stays upright, he stands a better chance of making a save if a pass up the slot or out to the points is made. You can't block everything at once. Blocking one area of the net will always leave another area wide open.
If I remember the play you're talking about correctly, he over-commited to a player coming down the right side. You want to be aggressive, but he was perhaps a little too aggressive, which lead him to have to scramble to get back to the other post. That was a mis-read on his part, but if I remember correctly, he got burned on a goal previous to that one by leaving the near post too early. So he basically over-corrected for a previous mistake and got burned again. However, in the case of an offensive player swooping around the goal for a wrap around, you'd like to have one of your d-men cover that spot just by forcing the offensive player out towards the side boards. All in all, I'd say it was 50% Labs fault for being overly aggressive and putting himself out of position, and 50% fault of the defense for not covering said offensive player.
Keep in mind this is just off of memory. I haven't watched that game since it aired.
Oh, and as a general rule, I'd make a post-to-post slide if a player is swooping behind the net. This is very effective for wrap arounds, however you can't have strength without giving up a weakness. The weakness of this move is that it leaves the top portion of the net wide open. If the offensive player doesn't go for a wrap around and instead holds it and picks a corner, the goalie has to sprawl and hopefully get a glove on the shot. This is why the d-men are very important in a play like that. They create time and space for the goalie to get best position. If they goalie doesn't leave his skates and stays upright, he stands a better chance of making a save if a pass up the slot or out to the points is made. You can't block everything at once. Blocking one area of the net will always leave another area wide open.
Thank you.
And...
People need to remember two things:
-JLB is NOT an elite goalie, and he WASN'T expected to be one.
-His numbers are GOOD for a team that lies dead last in the league. Yes, they are. If you don't agree, you're an idiot.
If you think about mentioning GAA, first make a note that GAA improves with less shots against if save % stays the same.
AGAIN: JLB is NOT stellar, is NOT elite, and he also ISN'T paid like one.
He is SOLID ENOUGH for this team at this stage of rebuild/restock/reload.
Hmm so the general idea is to observe one game, draw to conclution and bam, trade Labs long live Cloutier.
I wish Cloutier the best, but now its Labss turn. He faced up to 40+ shots on goal in every single game. We could say its part of his fault since he has crappy rebound control. But (there is allways a but)... That only means that he needs to work on that and that is actualy something he cant do alone, whole team or atleast D-men have to train on that. He cant throw direct shot to corner every time sometimes it will land just infront of him (most times it does and that is the problem).
His size works for him, and he is prety agile for his size. His lateral movement from post to post is good, sure he makes mistakes but I wouldnt rush to say he doesnt have potencial to be 1st.
Last edited by boro_slo; February 14th, 2008 at 12:54 PM.
Not so much terrible positioning as a tendency to overplay, which often has the same results. La Babs is at his best when he realizes, "Hey, I'm one big mofo.". His size allows him more passivity than a smaller netminder, and he seems to excel most when he's moving less. I don't believe such an approach is likely to produce a great goalie, but for Jason I think it's the difference between being questionable and being serviceable.
Not so much terrible positioning as a tendency to overplay, which often has the same results. La Babs is at his best when he realizes, "Hey, I'm one big mofo.". His size allows him more passivity than a smaller netminder, and he seems to excel most when he's moving less. I don't believe such an approach is likely to produce a great goalie, but for Jason I think it's the difference between being questionable and being serviceable.
I think it was charles who mentioned that when goalie moves he deals rebounds like hot chocolate. And again if D-system was played in a way that wouldnt allow cross-ice passes than Labs would have an easy job considering his size. In response, I agree with you 100% but u have to realize that he doesnt choose to move, he has to. And he will improve on that im sure about it.
Hmm so the general idea is to observe one game, draw to conclution and bam, trade Labs long live Cloutier.
thats a great OVERREACTION to what I said. All i said was i liked the way Cloutier was playing because he wasn't trying to do too much. Whereas LaBarbera has been caught out of position too many times. I hope he fixes it because LaBarbera can be a great goalie if he simply utilizes his strengths instead of trying to flop around and overplaying. I wasn't saying anything about trading him, or even benching him. I want to know why he isn't staying calm and reserved out there like Cloutier was in the one game he played.
Ah, but like LaBarbera, half of LGK views your mom as a #1. But they're wrong when, like LaBarbera, she's too aggressive, goes down too easily, and too many people capitalize on the rebounds she lays out there. And, like LaBarbera, she's forgiven for all these shortcomings, because the people surrounding her are just as bad at what they're supposed to be doing.
I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
