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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by Salty Dog
Also, wasn't his this his second arbitration or something? I remember it being a bit of an issue the contract before this one.
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So, 46 pts gets you 3.25 a year. What should 80 pts get you?
EDIT: Let's not pretend that the market for small, 80-90 point, centers was around 3.5 last years offseason either.
One season doesn't make a career, and I suspect that was the whole reason DL took him to arbitration. Looking at it a different way, what was the going rate for 47 point centers last year?
Here's yet another way to look at it, based on year end stat totals listed from ESPN. Frolov, who makes ~$2.9M played in 71 games last year, had 23 goals/44 assists for 67 points. Off of the top of my head, that's what -- 0.91ppg?
Cammalleri played in 63 games and totalled 19 goals, 28 assists or 47 points. That's .75 ppg.
You're going to overpay for a free agent center who has established himself as a 80-90 point player year over year. Cammalleri hasn't set his standard there yet. I'm not saying he cannot, but he hasn't. Until he proves that he can do this, he's not worth what he thinks he's worth.
One season doesn't make a career, and I suspect that was the whole reason DL took him to arbitration. Looking at it a different way, what was the going rate for 47 point centers last year?
Here's yet another way to look at it, based on year end stat totals listed from ESPN. Frolov, who makes ~$2.9M played in 71 games last year, had 23 goals/44 assists for 67 points. Off of the top of my head, that's what -- 0.91ppg?
Cammalleri played in 63 games and totalled 19 goals, 28 assists or 47 points. That's .75 ppg.
You're going to overpay for a free agent center who has established himself as a 80-90 point player year over year. Cammalleri hasn't set his standard there yet. I'm not saying he cannot, but he hasn't. Until he proves that he can do this, he's not worth what he thinks he's worth.
Well, there's this guy who has averaged .73 points per game over his entire career that just got a 7 million dollar a year contract. There was another guy who averaged .79 points per game that also got 7 million a year. Then there was this other guy who has averaged .82 points a game over his career. He got about 7 million last year too. All three centers. All three under 6' tall. Out of their combined years (almost 30), they've had two seasons of over a point a game.
Everyone knows that Frolov is TREMENDOUSLY underpaid. There is no secret. They got a bargain. To use an underpaid player as the bar isn't really going with the market.
Since none of us are in the dressing room, I would have a hard time believing anyone on here that says he is a bad teammate. Also even when it comes from a reporter it does not make it true either. Since I played minor league baseball, and dealt with the media, they only get there stories from a select few and maybe he was not well liked by the players Hammond is close to, and that is how he came up with this. I am sure every player has a few guys on this team that does not think they are a good teammate.
Well, there's this guy who has averaged .73 points per game over his entire career that just got a 7 million dollar a year contract. There was another guy who averaged .79 points per game that also got 7 million a year. Then there was this other guy who has averaged .82 points a game over his career. He got about 7 million last year too. All three centers. All three under 6' tall. Out of their combined years (almost 30), they've had two seasons of over a point a game.
Everyone knows that Frolov is TREMENDOUSLY underpaid. There is no secret. They got a bargain. To use an underpaid player as the bar isn't really going with the market.
In the case of Briere (who's contract is absurd imho) and all the other big money midgets, they were free agents, and the fact is, you are going to OVERPAY for free agents. They also have a standard that they've set, a track record of performance, and GMs have a general idea of what are going to get for the money.
MC has had a single good season. If he plays for 3-5 years at under similar numbers, he probably has a case for big money. But he hasn't done it. He's got to earn the salary he thinks he's worth, not expect to have it granted to him based on one year of success. Imagine if he gets the $6M he thinks he's worth, and puts out 50 -60 points next year. Is that a good use of assets in a salary cap era?
Next year is a make or break year for him. He better stay injury-free and focused. He's not done enough to justify a $6M salary, especially when you still have to pay another large group of up and coming prospects, like Kopitar and Jack Johnson, who are still on their entry level deals.
It also might be worth looking at what wingers make rather than centers since MC plays more there then at center.
In the case of Briere (who's contract is absurd imho) and all the other big money midgets, they were free agents, and the fact is, you are going to OVERPAY for free agents. They also have a standard that they've set, a track record of performance, and GMs have a general idea of what are going to get for the money.
MC has had a single good season. If he plays for 3-5 years at under similar numbers, he probably has a case for big money. But he hasn't done it. He's got to earn the salary he thinks he's worth, not expect to have it granted to him based on one year of success. Imagine if he gets the $6M he thinks he's worth, and puts out 50 -60 points next year. Is that a good use of assets in a salary cap era?
Next year is a make or break year for him. He better stay injury-free and focused. He's not done enough to justify a $6M salary, especially when you still have to pay another large group of up and coming prospects, like Kopitar and Jack Johnson, who are still on their entry level deals.
It also might be worth looking at what wingers make rather than centers since MC plays more there then at center.
Let me clarify that I don't believe he is worth 6 million per year. I don't want that to be the assumption here. I'm just pointing out that the market value for small centers last year WAS more than 3.5 million per year. I'm not differentiating on RFA or FA. The reason is that the market doesn't care about that. The arbitrator wasn't awarding a salary based on his free agent status. He was basing it on worth. Cammalleri has been a .72 points per game guy over his entire career. This isn't a guy who was getting .30 points per game for a couple of years and then exploded in his contract year. His best year was in a contract year, yes. BUT, so was Briere's. By a HUGE margin. The guy has never put up a point per game average in any season, but then last year he puts up over 90. He gets a 7 year deal for 7+ per year. The market was (regardless of worth) more than what Cammalleri was awarded AND, I'd argue, asking for.
The market was (regardless of worth) more than what Cammalleri was awarded AND, I'd argue, asking for.
No, the market for UFAs was worth more than what Cammalleri was awarded. Not for RFAs with one great season under their belts. There was no bidding war for MC, like there was for Briere.
Let me clarify that I don't believe he is worth 6 million per year. I don't want that to be the assumption here. I'm just pointing out that the market value for small centers last year WAS more than 3.5 million per year. I'm not differentiating on RFA or FA. The reason is that the market doesn't care about that. The arbitrator wasn't awarding a salary based on his free agent status. He was basing it on worth. Cammalleri has been a .72 points per game guy over his entire career. This isn't a guy who was getting .30 points per game for a couple of years and then exploded in his contract year. His best year was in a contract year, yes. BUT, so was Briere's. By a HUGE margin. The guy has never put up a point per game average in any season, but then last year he puts up over 90. He gets a 7 year deal for 7+ per year. The market was (regardless of worth) more than what Cammalleri was awarded AND, I'd argue, asking for.
FWIW, under the CBA there is more than one market and the arbitrator is prohibited from factoring UFA contracts into awards. So while you might not differentiate between RFAs and UFAs, every official in the NHL (GMs, agents, players) does.
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