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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. U are probably asking yourself why is he starting yet another crapy stats thread...
Well im not fealing well and i just browsed some stats pages...
Let me start with ...
U are probably asking yourself why is he starting yet another crapy stats thread...
Well im not fealing well and i just browsed some stats pages...
Let me start with ...we are not all that bad acording some stats and minor quirks could turn this team into a winner. (did I say that im not fealing well?)
First of all Ill compare with joung Pitsburg team. Brown is 3 goals behind Malkin, while both Crosby and Kopi have 20. (PIT 51 games, Kings 53 games) Thats not a big deficit, but those PIT guys both have around 40 asists, wich got me thinking someone needs to score those excess goals... Wich made me think we need some second line scoring. (Frolov did step up lately and i hope Moulson keeps the pace)
Labs has 91.3 save % (Brodeur has 91.7%...) he is prety good actualy. And that means we should get our shots-against down. And we came to D.
bad penalty-kill .... D
And It doesnt mean just D-men, the whole D-sistem (with coaching and all that), we do have the most assistant coaches in the ligue, dont we? What they do teorize?
I know that is nothing new to all u hockey-savy ppl, i just vanted to start up some debate with trade-deadline nearing and that.
Do u people think tradeing Blake and other D-men is best solution we have and what we want to get in return?...It probably wont be D-men.
__________________ GO ... !
Last edited by boro_slo; February 4th, 2008 at 03:16 AM.
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boro_slo's asking the right questions about the assistant coaches, really.
the team's a net positive on special teams. the PK % is low, but the kings take very few penalties so it washes out--that means MC has put the clamps on the kind of extra roughing/penalty taking (that would quiet the critics on this board about the team having no heart) until the PK situation has improved. good decision. as goaltending stabilizes, look for more physical play as the team isn't as worried about going down a man.
in 5-on-5 hockey, however, the kings are an unmitigated disaster, and this falls pretty much into two categories: the defensive positioning is atrocious by design, not by inept execution, and the goaltending corps as a whole has surrendered too many rebounds. Len-Det and i have already commiserated over what seems to be kings playing blackboard defense instead of taking bodies out of the play, which, for the first third of the season, led to a ton of those close-range and rebound goals that should not have been available to the opposing teams...especially at the back post. the last two years, the kings couldn't back-check to save their lives; this year, it wasn't until january that someone sent a memo that maybe forwards (or d-men jumping in) shouldn't be allowed to get any lower than the faceoff spot before getting at least a stick lifted, if not crosschecked in the grill. even still, a lot of goals against for this team have come from poor back post/weak side defending. Labs may be slick when it comes to lateral movement, but rebounds come from goalies making saves while on the move, and our defensive marking allows waaaaay too many passes through the slot.
so...if the team's save percentage overall is around 90%, you wonder what the save percentage is on rebounds, and i'd be impressed if it were north of 67%...and that's got very little to do with the GK. let him see that first shot from the circle instead of sliding over to take the second guy, and only one shot on goal will result from that play, with the puck likely frozen. once he has to move and save, a second, very very high percentage shot is coming, and that is entirely a result of any NHL level forward in this era of larger offensive zones being able to look up and decide "hey, blake isn't on my winger, i'm going to pass to him instead of taking this shot," or "hey, lubo's drifted toward me, lemme make quick eye contact with my D-man at the far point so that he knows to head back door."
alternatively, if you see our guys taking care of the slot and the back post, Labs gets to spot up, the puckhandler decides to take the shot (easy save and a freeze) or cycle again since he has no passing lane (setting up a DB/JMFJ/Stuart/Blake hit in the corners, also good), and the play is comparatively benign--i say comparatively, because our weak side defending gets REALLY shabby when the opponents are cycling effectively, and that's just a loss of focus.
so anyway, we give up 31 shots a game, and if you figure 3 of those are juicy rebounds and only 2/3 of those are stopped, that's a goal every game that likely came from Labs having to make a second save after a rebound arising from a save on the move. that's ONE BAD MARKING ASSIGNMENT EACH PERIOD, and that's the difference between Norris/Selke-caliber focus from our skaters and...being sellers at the deadline. you pull out those three rebounds and that one goal, and the kings suddenly are middle of the pack in shots against and near the league lead in goals against...and people here are discussing sending Cammy, Boyle, Ersberg and a 1st to Florida for Jokinen and Bouwmeester to set up our playoff run.
relax, he's not american, and yet he STILL spells better than some of them.
Agreed. Don't let the spelling police harass you too much boro_slo!
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Originally Posted by charles
boro_slo's asking the right questions about the assistant coaches, really.
the team's a net positive on special teams. the PK % is low, but the kings take very few penalties so it washes out--that means MC has put the clamps on the kind of extra roughing/penalty taking (that would quiet the critics on this board about the team having no heart) until the PK situation has improved. good decision. as goaltending stabilizes, look for more physical play as the team isn't as worried about going down a man.
in 5-on-5 hockey, however, the kings are an unmitigated disaster, and this falls pretty much into two categories: the defensive positioning is atrocious by design, not by inept execution, and the goaltending corps as a whole has surrendered too many rebounds. Len-Det and i have already commiserated over what seems to be kings playing blackboard defense instead of taking bodies out of the play, which, for the first third of the season, led to a ton of those close-range and rebound goals that should not have been available to the opposing teams...especially at the back post. the last two years, the kings couldn't back-check to save their lives; this year, it wasn't until january that someone sent a memo that maybe forwards (or d-men jumping in) shouldn't be allowed to get any lower than the faceoff spot before getting at least a stick lifted, if not crosschecked in the grill. even still, a lot of goals against for this team have come from poor back post/weak side defending. Labs may be slick when it comes to lateral movement, but rebounds come from goalies making saves while on the move, and our defensive marking allows waaaaay too many passes through the slot.
so...if the team's save percentage overall is around 90%, you wonder what the save percentage is on rebounds, and i'd be impressed if it were north of 67%...and that's got very little to do with the GK. let him see that first shot from the circle instead of sliding over to take the second guy, and only one shot on goal will result from that play, with the puck likely frozen. once he has to move and save, a second, very very high percentage shot is coming, and that is entirely a result of any NHL level forward in this era of larger offensive zones being able to look up and decide "hey, blake isn't on my winger, i'm going to pass to him instead of taking this shot," or "hey, lubo's drifted toward me, lemme make quick eye contact with my D-man at the far point so that he knows to head back door."
alternatively, if you see our guys taking care of the slot and the back post, Labs gets to spot up, the puckhandler decides to take the shot (easy save and a freeze) or cycle again since he has no passing lane (setting up a DB/JMFJ/Stuart/Blake hit in the corners, also good), and the play is comparatively benign--i say comparatively, because our weak side defending gets REALLY shabby when the opponents are cycling effectively, and that's just a loss of focus.
so anyway, we give up 31 shots a game, and if you figure 3 of those are juicy rebounds and only 2/3 of those are stopped, that's a goal every game that likely came from Labs having to make a second save after a rebound arising from a save on the move. that's ONE BAD MARKING ASSIGNMENT EACH PERIOD, and that's the difference between Norris/Selke-caliber focus from our skaters and...being sellers at the deadline. you pull out those three rebounds and that one goal, and the kings suddenly are middle of the pack in shots against and near the league lead in goals against...and people here are discussing sending Cammy, Boyle, Ersberg and a 1st to Florida for Jokinen and Bouwmeester to set up our playoff run.
"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to charles again."
Quality, quality post; couldn't have said it better myself.
so...if the team's save percentage overall is around 90%, you wonder what the save percentage is on rebounds, and i'd be impressed if it were north of 67%...and that's got very little to do with the GK. let him see that first shot from the circle instead of sliding over to take the second guy, and only one shot on goal will result from that play, with the puck likely frozen. once he has to move and save, a second, very very high percentage shot is coming, and that is entirely a result of any NHL level forward in this era of larger offensive zones being able to look up and decide "hey, blake isn't on my winger, i'm going to pass to him instead of taking this shot," or "hey, lubo's drifted toward me, lemme make quick eye contact with my D-man at the far point so that he knows to head back door."
U opened a new perspective, actualy a new angle from wich to look at it... And that is players simply know or atleast expect what his teammate is going to do out there and act acordingly. And we are back at trades... I personaly wouldnt trade D-men that will be an aset in 1-3 years (Stuart) and let them build some chemistry.
Last edited by boro_slo; February 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 PM.
Do stats lie? AKA Our D is bad, how to solve that? 
Telefunken
thanx charles.