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About This Page: This is a discussion on LA Kings Talk within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Oh I wasn't attacking you specifically, simply answering the question regarding stats.
The system you play in is obviously critical... but what is more critical is business savvy. I'm all
Oh I wasn't attacking you specifically, simply answering the question regarding stats.
The system you play in is obviously critical... but what is more critical is business savvy. I'm all for keeping Stuart... but assuming he doesn't want to re-sign here, why WOULDN'T you trade him for something instead of letting him walk free? Why not get something for old-as-dirt Modry and Blake? This team as is might have played better this season with better coaching, but that isn't important anymore. What is important is making this team better looking ahead.
Oh I wasn't attacking you specifically, simply answering the question regarding stats.
The system you play in is obviously critical... but what is more critical is business savvy. I'm all for keeping Stuart... but assuming he doesn't want to re-sign here, why WOULDN'T you trade him for something instead of letting him walk free? Why not get something for old-as-dirt Modry and Blake? This team as is might have played better this season with better coaching, but that isn't important anymore. What is important is making this team better looking ahead.
Well unless Stuart has been reading some threads on this forum i dont see why he wouldnt like to reasign , but im sure they will trade him if he will look like he is not sure to do it.
Blake will proly get traded but as i red in some article there is a chance he will go off for playoffs this year and be reasigned as UFA next year, im sure he likes LA and is good enough to force a trade like that.
Modry is not top-knotch D-man but hes been consistent enough to feel the void after he is gone. And Just to be on the same page here im not saying we shouldnt trade them, im sayin it will not be penicilin-like solution for this team to just pick some cards from another deck and hope for the best (again)
If we trade D-man we better use some forwards to get a better D-man back and let guy like Stuart play long enough to get the feel of a team he has steped up lately.
Last edited by boro_slo; February 2nd, 2008 at 01:37 PM.
Nope, but people do and focusing on one stat that supports your argument while ignoring the stats that do not support your point is where the problem starts. (Not that you have done that)
Interesting post, boro_slo. It gives us another angle to view our team...Thanks for the info.
boro_slo's asking the right questions about the assistant coaches, really.
the team's a net positive on special teams. the PK % is low, but the kings take very few penalties so it washes out--that means MC has put the clamps on the kind of extra roughing/penalty taking (that would quiet the critics on this board about the team having no heart) until the PK situation has improved. good decision. as goaltending stabilizes, look for more physical play as the team isn't as worried about going down a man.
in 5-on-5 hockey, however, the kings are an unmitigated disaster, and this falls pretty much into two categories: the defensive positioning is atrocious by design, not by inept execution, and the goaltending corps as a whole has surrendered too many rebounds. Len-Det and i have already commiserated over what seems to be kings playing blackboard defense instead of taking bodies out of the play, which, for the first third of the season, led to a ton of those close-range and rebound goals that should not have been available to the opposing teams...especially at the back post. the last two years, the kings couldn't back-check to save their lives; this year, it wasn't until january that someone sent a memo that maybe forwards (or d-men jumping in) shouldn't be allowed to get any lower than the faceoff spot before getting at least a stick lifted, if not crosschecked in the grill. even still, a lot of goals against for this team have come from poor back post/weak side defending. Labs may be slick when it comes to lateral movement, but rebounds come from goalies making saves while on the move, and our defensive marking allows waaaaay too many passes through the slot.
so...if the team's save percentage overall is around 90%, you wonder what the save percentage is on rebounds, and i'd be impressed if it were north of 67%...and that's got very little to do with the GK. let him see that first shot from the circle instead of sliding over to take the second guy, and only one shot on goal will result from that play, with the puck likely frozen. once he has to move and save, a second, very very high percentage shot is coming, and that is entirely a result of any NHL level forward in this era of larger offensive zones being able to look up and decide "hey, blake isn't on my winger, i'm going to pass to him instead of taking this shot," or "hey, lubo's drifted toward me, lemme make quick eye contact with my D-man at the far point so that he knows to head back door."
alternatively, if you see our guys taking care of the slot and the back post, Labs gets to spot up, the puckhandler decides to take the shot (easy save and a freeze) or cycle again since he has no passing lane (setting up a DB/JMFJ/Stuart/Blake hit in the corners, also good), and the play is comparatively benign--i say comparatively, because our weak side defending gets REALLY shabby when the opponents are cycling effectively, and that's just a loss of focus.
so anyway, we give up 31 shots a game, and if you figure 3 of those are juicy rebounds and only 2/3 of those are stopped, that's a goal every game that likely came from Labs having to make a second save after a rebound arising from a save on the move. that's ONE BAD MARKING ASSIGNMENT EACH PERIOD, and that's the difference between Norris/Selke-caliber focus from our skaters and...being sellers at the deadline. you pull out those three rebounds and that one goal, and the kings suddenly are middle of the pack in shots against and near the league lead in goals against...and people here are discussing sending Cammy, Boyle, Ersberg and a 1st to Florida for Jokinen and Bouwmeester to set up our playoff run.
will you be avaliblenext year too coach the kings ?
I have a fealing that i picked a wrong title for the thread since not many ppl take time to read it
Here is the right one: Do u think tradeing of D-men will do any good with our defence allready the spot of our problems. Lets face it we missed Blake last night.
Stats don't lie, it's just a matter of interpretation. You have to interpret them correctly, but interpretations can be subjective so...
If you interpret the stats, so that they show Kings aren't a bad team at the moment, then we can say the interpretation is a lie, yeah.
Hmm overall Kings are the worst team in nhl or they wouldnt be on the last place... But i used stats to point on our greatest soft spot beeing defence. And as so many times now ill do it again (I know its my own fault choosing the wrong title) ... I used them to point at D and i ask people if u think tradeing D-men is a good solution and what do we want to end up with after trade deadline, And i strongly sugdest we do something about coaching defence not just think that Pronger-like D-man can save our ass. How many of u agree and how many of u thinks im an a**hole?
, but im sure they will trade him if he will look like he is not sure to do it.
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