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When Espo was the GM of the Lightning, he couldn't sign Bryan Marchment and Dean wanted him badly. Espo said "Okay, but if you get the 1st
When Espo was the GM of the Lightning, he couldn't sign Bryan Marchment and Dean wanted him badly. Espo said "Okay, but if you get the 1st pick in the draft, it's ours".
Well, San Jose stunk, Tampa got San Jose's 1st pick, and Espo chose...
There is no point. Matt just likes to live in this kind of atmosphere he creates for himself. He didn't mention, though, that Tampa had to win a lottery in order to take Lecavalier.
Personally, I don't care what mistakes DL made when he was with SJ. I call it "learning on the job". This team is headed into a great direction and things look brighter than I can ever remember. So, I don't mind waiting for it to blossom. Until then, I'll keep quiet for the most part, voice my concerns and listen. I won't be too quick to pass judgment. But we're all different. We can blame Hollywood for giving Matt split personality disorder.
When Espo was the GM of the Lightning, he couldn't sign Bryan Marchment and Dean wanted him badly. Espo said "Okay, but if you get the 1st pick in the draft, it's ours".
Well, San Jose stunk, Tampa got San Jose's 1st pick, and Espo chose...
Vincent Lecavalier.
Nice going, Dean.
Yes... although I'm not sure what your point is.
To provide something of interest to readers though, that transaction is why the Lightning technically have never won the draft lottery before.
Prior to last night, the lottery never produced a combination that was assigned to the Tampa Bay Lightning that meant they automatically moved up 4 spots or to the #1 pick without anyone else's help - thus "winning the lottery".
Did the lottery ever produce a combination that gave the Lightning the #1 overall pick? Yes. In 1998, the Lightning held the rights to swap 1st-round picks with the Sharks ... and no team is ever going to fail to exercise an option to go from 3 to 1 in the draft unless they're getting something in return. So, while Tampa didn't outright win the #1 pick on its own, they did in fact have a drawing that gave them the #1 pick at their option.
The first overall pick in 1998 was originally owned by Florida. They sent it to the Sharks:
> Sharks — Traded Viktor Kozlov, 1998 conditional fifth round pick (#117-Jaroslav Spacek) to Panthers for Dave Lowry, 1998 first round pick (#1-Vincent Lecavalier) on 11/13/97
Who sent it to the Lightning:
> Lightning — Traded Bryan Marchment, David Shaw, Lightning conditional right to swap 1998 first round picks (#2-David Legwand) to Sharks for Andrei Nazarov, Lightning conditional right to swap 1998 first round picks (#1-Vincent Lecavalier) on 3/24/98
They chose Lecavalier.
The 2nd overall pick was owned by the Lightning, who sent it to the Sharks:
> Sharks — Traded Andrei Nazarov, Lightning conditional right to swap 1998 first round picks (#1-Vincent Lecavalier) to Lightning for Bryan Marchment, David Shaw, Lightning conditional right to swap 1998 first round picks (#2-David Legwand) on 3/24/98
who sent it to the Preds:
> Predators — Traded 1998 first round pick (#3-Brad Stuart), 1998 second round pick (#29-Jonathan Cheechoo) to Sharks for 1998 first round pick (#2-David Legwand), 1998 third round pick (#85-Geoff Koch) on 6/27/98
They chose David Legwand and Geoff Koch with the picks they received.
The 3rd overall pick was owned by the Predators, who sent it to the Sharks:
> Sharks — Traded 1998 first round pick (#2-David Legwand), 1998 third round pick (#85-Geoff Koch) to Predators for 1998 first round pick (#3-Brad Stuart), 1998 second round pick (#29-Jonathan Cheechoo) on 6/27/98
The Sharks selected Brad Stuart and Cheechoo with the picks they received.
I don't think San Jose is hurting terribly as a result of that.
- T
__________________ "As painful as it is to go through the valley, we will not look back. The days of making excuses are over. I hate losing but I understand that's what we have to do for two years. We were trying to cover gaps and mistakes with our checkbook, and those days are over." - Tim Leiweke
Last edited by TonySCV; April 8th, 2008 at 02:44 PM.
When Espo was the GM of the Lightning, he couldn't sign Bryan Marchment and Dean wanted him badly. Espo said "Okay, but if you get the 1st pick in the draft, it's ours".
Well, San Jose stunk, Tampa got San Jose's 1st pick, and Espo chose...
Vincent Lecavalier.
Nice going, Dean.
That's only part of the story. You seemed to have left out what SJ got and as TonySCV pointed out, they got Cheechoo and Stuart, (which eventually got them Thornton).
To reiterate what TonySCV said, DL traded the option at the time of the trade. Unfortunately I don't have the exact standings on the day of the trade, but here is how the final standings looked like:
Florida (63)
Vancouver (64)
Anaheim (65)
Calgary (67)
And mix in that Nashville was assigned the #2 spot as an expansion team. It was pretty evident that at best Florida would be #3 for the lottery and perhaps as "bad" as #6 (and having no shot at #1). Could have easily have been as low as an 8% chance to win.
DL gambled and lost. If you're getting an asset for something that 80% is likely to be nothing, you're not taking that?
Somebody brought this up before, and my comparable was: Tom Preissing to Atlanta for Boris Valabik and the right to swap first rounders in 2008. Looks like a great trade if Atlanta happened to win the draft lottery, otherwise looks kinda dumb.
Similarly, in 2002 the Panthers traded the 1st overall pick to Columbus for the 3rd overall pick and the option of swapping 2003 first rounders. The Panthers had a worse record, so Columbus essentially gave up squat.
Maybe somebody should ask Phil Esposito why he was quick to trade four first round picks for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis that same year.
Last edited by Brodeur; April 8th, 2008 at 03:51 PM.
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