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About This Page: This is a discussion on Computers/Tech/Photo within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. What I've been hearing internally for months has now made it's way into the rumor mills:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/09...tral/#comments
Again, it could hold as much water as a basketball net, but I've
Again, it could hold as much water as a basketball net, but I've been hearing this for a while now at work, so I'm a little more inclined to believe it.
If THIS rumor is true, and it more or less matches what I've been hearing internally for months at NBC, it will spell the beginning of the end for HD-DVD.
If THIS rumor is true, and it more or less matches what I've been hearing internally for months at NBC, it will spell the beginning of the end for HD-DVD.
right, IF it's true. Universal would have to figure how to get out of their "exclusive" contract first though. and HD-DVD knows as well as anyone that it would spell their doom.
right, IF it's true. Universal would have to figure how to get out of their "exclusive" contract first though. and HD-DVD knows as well as anyone that it would spell their doom.
Wonder if Universal has an "out" clause.
Did you read the AVS thread where this report originated? It provides a little detail as to what was "said."
I ****ing hate all the backroom, boardroom BS. Just come out and say it.
I think some of the reasons behind this have some decent teeth, though. This whole "Evan Almighty" fiasco is going to make Universal the #1 loser of the summer. Bourne won't be able to overcome this. Evan Almighty has a rumored price tag approaching $200 million, it's not getting ANY summer buzz, and PETA and other animal organizations are already starting to rally against it.
Universal stands to lose some major footing to other studios, and backing a loser if HD-DVD turns out to be just that won't help them.
Evan Almighty has a rumored price tag approaching $200 million
Think X3 money, so add another $60 million. (That's what my Home Video contact said.) The only thing that saved Fox/Paramount with Titanic were a bunch of 13 year-old girls.
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Universal stands to lose some major footing to other studios, and backing a loser if HD-DVD turns out to be just that won't help them.
And you know how NBC handles things when the entertainment division is in the crapper? They start cutting "costs" in the only division that's making them any money. My division. News. They did it last Summer and I'm expecting it again this Fall.
Regardless of their move to neutral format, or even dropping HD-DVD entirely, NBC will probably spin Uni off their stock. (a la Time-Warner from AOL.)
I just don't understand why Universal doesn't just open up to both formats UNLESS they are locked into some kind of financial agreement with Toshiba, which stands to reason since they've been so gung-ho about HD-DVD from the start.
At least the Blu-ray exclusive studios have been upfront as to why they are where they are. Both Fox and Disney wanted the extra layer of copy protection that BD provides, and Disney especially seems to be studio that expects and demands use of BDs bigger disc size for some releases. Hell, the upcoming Pirates discs are going to have the feature take up an entire BD-50, while the extras will be on a second BD-25 disc. Incredible.
We don't really have to explain why Sony/MGM/Columbia are BD exclusive.
Most of the work is done prior to discs being manufactured, so it wouldn't take a look for Universal to more than DOUBLE their HD sales/forecasts by just going neutral. There has to be SOMETHING holding them back.
I agree with the last sentence. What else is he supposed to say?
Exactly. What else is he suppose to say? But this is the same clown that hasn't seen the writing on the wall when it's been pointed out to him.
Other than a FEW titles (Jurassic Park, BTTF), I could care less to own most of Universal's catalog. I just want this "war" to start on the downside sooner than later.
dgrycan.. you are a supporter of DRM? Disappointed.
I am a supporter of SOMETHING that is universal that allows companies to protect their copyrights. I'm not a big fan of iTunes, for instance, because it's not a universal system. If I had a choice between one or the other, I would take no protection over proprietary protection.
However, I do NOT believe in the defense used that people want the right to make a BACK UP of digital media. That is absolute crap. You don't get a back-up in any other material thing out there, so music and movies should be the same.
I'm not sure how this relates to this discussion directly, however. BOTH formats use protection methods. HD-DVD didn't opt out of additional protection means to allow more copying - they just didn't go as far as BD did in this matter, and that extra step appealled to some studios.
Quite honestly, I don't care if hackers start monkeying around with the format. I have an HDMI equipped television, so even if the studios start enabling the draconian flag of downconverting all HD programming over component outputs, I won't be affected. I know several people who will, however, and it's sad to think that people, for some reason, just can't grasp the fact that they aren't born with the right to name their OWN price (most often $0.00) to enjoy something that someone else owns.
There are many people at work who feel both formats are going to fail because of downloading movies and other formats coming out. I can't help but feel like that's just not going to be the case. As far as the HD goes, there is no way that eventually people are still going to stick with SD. It just doesn't make sense. Technology constantly changes and people will adapt. Not to mention the fact that congress passed something about them only being able to sell SDTV's until 2009. Can someone confirm this?
And as far as downloading goes, there are three problems that I see. There is no way that in the near future we can have that much storage space for all the movies to fit on which would also require faster internet. Also, if you do download it, you can never take it anywhere. If I want to go to a friend's house, I wouldn't be able to take a movie with me unless I burned one. Finally, I'm the type of person who likes having a hard copy of something with the packaging and everything. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
__________________ I have to return some videotapes.
You don't care that you have to spend extra money just so that they don't turn on copy protection. This is bull****. Especially coming from you. You should know better.
Making copies of things you own is fair use if you use it for your own consumption. The copyright holders are trying to take that right from us. Don't stand for it man.
The digital age is different and they are trying to use the same business model as pre-digital age. I hope that the upstarts and the anti-DRM forces run them over. And I think they will eventually.
You don't care that you have to spend extra money just so that they don't turn on copy protection. This is bull****. Especially coming from you. You should know better.
What extra money? HDMI is a standard in the industry now. It's benefits lie more in convience and quality to me than copy protection.
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Making copies of things you own is fair use if you use it for your own consumption. The copyright holders are trying to take that right from us. Don't stand for it man.
I just don't get what's so fair about it. If I buy a blender, do I also have the right to get a free backup? What about a car? Name me some property that you can buy that automatically comes with a duplicate "just in case." Fair use is a totally phoney argument.
You know DAMNED well that there's no need for backups for your own consumption. I have nearly 1,000 DVDs. I didn't feel the need to back up a single one of them. And they all still work just fine. Nothing prevents me from taking them with me somewhere else, or playing them in separate locations within my house.
The alternatives, to me, are FAR worse. Downloadable content, with easily applied limits and restrictions will be FAR for devastating. Can you imagine having to pay EVERY time you put a movie into your player like DiVx? That's what VOD could dicate in the future.
I'm sorry, but when it comes to DRM, humans as a whole have already proven that, given the option, many people will steal before they'll pay. No matter the price. Making this easy should not be the job of the people who own the property to begin with.
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The digital age is different and they are trying to use the same business model as pre-digital age. I hope that the upstarts and the anti-DRM forces run them over. And I think they will eventually.
It's going to take a large change in public opinion for this to work, unless you are truly for NOTHING but big, giant corporations who would be the only ones able to absorb massive levels of theft and copyright infringements. You can spend years and years today developing something in todays electronic world, and upon its release, within days, thousands and thousands of copies are stolen right from under you. Who wants to start-up a company in that kind of environment?
1. HDMI is both all digital and a copyright scheme. They could have taking out the copyright stuff and it would have been cheaper and probably faster to implement.
2. You don't have kids in your house.
3. Fair use is fair use of copying things you own. A blender is a blender and that has nothing to do with copyright. Maybe patents but not copyright. Nonsensical argument.
4. Copying is not the same as piracy. I own a whole bunch of DVDs and I have copied them for my own use. I have had to strip the copyright protection from these DVDs to do it. But this is something I wanted to do.
5. Pirates have to make money too. They are not giving stuff for free. Somewhere along the line they charge for what they are doing to make their living.
6. HD and Audio Enthusiasts will not take junk for free. Look at you for instance. You happily buy your stuff for the quality.
7. DVDs come with BS previews and FBI warnings that waste time. I just want to watch the damn movie already.
I copyright this argument and will send you a cease and desist order if you quote it even in part.
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