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About This Page: This is a discussion on Computers/Tech/Photo within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by go
So the HD-DVD group gave them money.. so what. The BluRay group is giving money to TV stations (commercials) and Target (exclusive endcaps.) What is the
So the HD-DVD group gave them money.. so what. The BluRay group is giving money to TV stations (commercials) and Target (exclusive endcaps.) What is the difference? Sony actually buys whole Film companies (Columbia?!).
Amazing that you say that now, and yet just a page or two ago, you were harping on the European Union investigating Blu-ray for this very kind of unfair business practices.
I don't know how level the playing field is against the Cars, Ratatouille, Pirates and Spider-man trilogies.
I think Transformers would have outsold every one of those titles had it remained on both formats. Now that it's HD-DVD only, it probably won't outsell any of them, but it will probably sell more than 300 did on HD-DVD.
Sony has made a mistake on loading Spiderman 3 with so much HD content that they had to charge a ridiculously high price for it, which will have an effect. It'll be as expensive as a new HD-DVD!!
Adding Shrek and Transformers to their exclusive column might not completely evens the playing field, but it gives them a much greater chance to make ground on the 2-to-1 sales disadvantage that Paramount found so appealing. They'll also be adding some fairly big catalog titles with Top Gun, The Jack Ryan Collection and Face-Off.
I think Transformers would have outsold every one of those titles had it remained on both formats. Now that it's HD-DVD only, it probably won't outsell any of them, but it will probably sell more than 300 did on HD-DVD.
Sony has made a mistake on loading Spiderman 3 with so much HD content that they had to charge a ridiculously high price for it, which will have an effect. It'll be as expensive as a new HD-DVD!!
Adding Shrek and Transformers to their exclusive column might not completely evens the playing field, but it gives them a much greater chance to make ground on the 2-to-1 sales disadvantage that Paramount found so appealing. They'll also be adding some fairly big catalog titles with Top Gun, The Jack Ryan Collection and Face-Off.
Paramount has very little non-Spielberg titles that I could care about. With SS' Blu-ray Clause (if you will), will allow the Indiana Jones 4-Pack to come out Fall 2008 on Blu-ray.
Oh, I've got a little more to say about Bay refusing to make Transformers 2: the viewing audience is better off. See, something good came out of this. Besides, it'll all be over in 18 months or less.
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Installing custom theater systems in a niche isn't it? The average consumer is buying the cheapest set they can get and plugging it in w/ out sound systems or anything. "It's widescreen pretty bitchin' huh?" I'd say it's a bit of ignorance and indifference.
Go to a movie in LA and see semi out of focus projectors and crappy sound systems (not to mention soft shots in the films). Not enough people seem to care anymore to complain and this is a company town. Sure there is The Bridge and The Arclight but most theaters in this town suck. So why would the average consumer be any more discerning for home video? I hate to say it; I just don't think it's that important to most people. Laser disk is a good example; it was a great product for the time but not for the masses.
Factor in You Tube, Camera Phone TV Devices and Ipods and we have a whole new generation that is not even demanding quality video.
I'm not trying to get into a heated debate I'm camera assistant (film and HD) and I'm passionate about it, but as I've said I just don't think most consumers are going to know the difference between Blu-ray and HDDVD and downloadable media.
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Installing custom theater systems in a niche isn't it? The average consumer is buying the cheapest set they can get and plugging it in w/ out sound systems or anything. "It's widescreen pretty bitchin' huh?" I'd say it's a bit of ignorance and indifference.
I disagree. HIGH-END home theaters - yes. But simple, surround sound set-ups? Very common. Home Theater in a Box setups are extremely popular at all retail locations.
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Go to a movie in LA and see semi out of focus projectors and crappy sound systems (not to mention soft shots in the films). Not enough people seem to care anymore to complain and this is a company town.
I don't know where you go and see your movies, but the theaters that I go to, which include Mann, Pacific and Loews, I don't see any of these problems, at least not consistently.
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Sure there is The Bridge and The Arclight but most theaters in this town suck.
Well, perhaps things are changing, as there are going to be some new Arclights opening up. Galleria - woo-hoo!
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So why would the average consumer be any more discerning for home video? I hate to say it; I just don't think it's that important to most people.
And again, I disagree. There are many factors as to what goes into a persons home theater. Sometimes it's to have the best experience, sometimes it's to have a better system than Joe down the street. The living room (or whichever room features the main television) has become much more in the last ten years than it ever was before. New construction includes wiring for things like surround sound speakers, in ceiling mounts, etc.
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Laser disk is a good example; it was a great product for the time but not for the masses.
LaserDisc was NOT a good format. It was cost prohibitive, and it's convience factor was mitigated by it's size limitations, where some movies were spread across multiple sides of multiple discs. Physical disc quality issues, noisy hardware, and the list goes on.
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Factor in You Tube, Camera Phone TV Devices and Ipods and we have a whole new generation that is not even demanding quality video.
The study “Online Content: New Pathways of Discovery and Use” surveyed 1,035 broadband Internet users in the U.S., ages 18 to 49, who watched three hours or more of streaming video online each week. Research firm SmithGeiger conducted the study in May for the DEG.
Just 10% of those surveyed prefer to watch a movie via streaming or downloading, compared to 41% who prefer to watch on DVD and 32% who prefer TV.
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I'm not trying to get into a heated debate I'm camera assistant (film and HD) and I'm passionate about it, but as I've said I just don't think most consumers are going to know the difference between Blu-ray and HDDVD and downloadable media.
Do you really believe that? Do you really believe the average consumer isn't going to understand the difference between an in-the-hand tangible form of media and an downloaded file that they may only have access to for a short period of time before having to re-purchase rights to watch it again?
drycan, it's your business and obviously you're passionate about great theater systems and such (me too) but one mans hobby is not everyone’s hobby. Most people DON'T have home theaters and I have no stats but I doubt even half the television owners even have a HTIB let alone any kind of sound system. I don’t know anything about your business but I bet most of your customers are in the upper 1/3 or higher in income earned in the US let alone the world.
As a far as the LA theater experience I guess I'm a bit more critical since it's my job to make sure the image is in focus (this is not a jab at you). I forgot to mention soda marks on many screens and wrong curtain mattes for type of film etc.
I agree people will want to hold and own the product but if it's cheaper, again I think Joe Blow will only care about the bottom line.
You have valid points about the product but it’s just my opinion that most people don’t have the kind of money to spend on these things.
What I find ironic is the lower income families usually have the biggest tv's and latest electronic toys since they tend not to go out and spend money as much.
I'm not trying to get into a heated debate I'm camera assistant (film and HD) and I'm passionate about it
We've got to do lunch and talk shop.
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Originally Posted by go
You blu-ray boys really thought you were winning?
I love it when you pigeonhole. It's what turns me on about you.
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What I find ironic is the lower income families usually have the biggest tv's and latest electronic toys since they tend not to go out and spend money as much.
They tend to drink more, too. It helps them forget they're poor.
Last edited by Unfiltered; August 21st, 2007 at 09:45 PM.
Get it down a little more and get Blu-Ray to follow and people can almost afford to just buy one of each and move on already.
I don't know . . . the race to low prices could backfire in a BIG way. The one thing these players have proven is that it takes a keen user in order to keep the players in top notch safe - both sides have had several firmware upgrades in order to fix glitches and keep content running smoothly. Not unlike some early DVD models, it took quite a while for players to be able to mass produced without the need for updating.
Both of these formats have so much more "computer" in them that I don't think it's going to be any easier, and quite the opposite in fact. What kind of support will these third party companies (from either side) be providing for these complex machines?
Truthfully, while I'd like to see a Blu-ray standalone priced somewhat lower than $499, I sure hope they don't follow HD-DVDs route and just take crap out of the playerst in order to get there. Limiting output to 1080i as well as other audio options is handicapping the product's true abilities. There are rumors that the next round of Toshiba's players aren't going to have the top-of-the-line Reon upscaling chip, meaning that they may be a step back in quality for upscaling Stardard DVDs. Since I still watch a lot of my current DVD collection upscaled through my PS3, the quality is immensely noticeable on my screen.
Besides, it'll all be over in 18 months or less. 
Mr. Irreverent
