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About This Page: This is a discussion on Computers/Tech/Photo within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by dgrycan
Judging by DVD being the most successful home media format of all time - I would say there are plenty.
An interesting question - and there
Judging by DVD being the most successful home media format of all time - I would say there are plenty.
An interesting question - and there are certainly titles on my shelf that I haven't given a second viewing. It's certainly not out of the question, though. The thing is . . . for a new release that sells for say $15, it's still cheaper for two people to buy a movie, take it home, watch it at their own convience and leisure and then OWN IT that to go to the theater down the street - and that's without a visit to the concession.
Having just seen Oceans 13 on Sunday, I've gotta say that HD media has almost ruined my theater experience. I found myself very distracted by subpar film elements that have been very much absent on most HD home releases.
I think DVD will last a lot longer than what you think. I think that Bluray and/or HD-DVD will be niche products. A big niche, bigger than LD, but a niche nonetheless. Unless either of them come down in price to what DVD is now. No guarantee in that but perhaps they will.
I think that VOD rentals will be a growing business that will and have cut into the optical media model.
I have used it for one. On both my xbox and my tivo.
Or maybe they will be complementary to each other. Like theater and home video is now.
I know you invested your money into bluray because you think it is the best quality. I have read only 3 movies have taken advantage of the higher capacity of bluray.
BTW I am sure Ocean's 13 would look fantastic on HD-DVD too. It is a Warner Bros film.
I think DVD will last a lot longer than what you think. I think that Bluray and/or HD-DVD will be niche products. A big niche, bigger than LD, but a niche nonetheless. Unless either of them come down in price to what DVD is now. No guarantee in that but perhaps they will.
I think that VOD rentals will be a growing business that will and have cut into the optical media model.
I have used it for one. On both my xbox and my tivo.
Or maybe they will be complementary to each other. Like theater and home video is now.
I know you invested your money into bluray because you think it is the best quality. I have read only 3 movies have taken advantage of the higher capacity of bluray.
BTW I am sure Ocean's 13 would look fantastic on HD-DVD too. It is a Warner Bros film.
The HD formats are priced exactly the same as DVD was 10 years ago. Players are now half the price of what they were last year at this time and still going down. VOD is just simply not ready yet to take over and I don't think any studio wants to not display their product in the best quality possible. HDTV purchases have increased by a lot recently which shows people's interest in HD. I think the studios will eventually decide to discontinue DVD production just like they did VHS meaning Blu-ray/HD DVD will become the norm. The consumer isn't losing anything by the switch either. All players are backwards compatible.
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I think DVD will last a lot longer than what you think. I think that Bluray and/or HD-DVD will be niche products. A big niche, bigger than LD, but a niche nonetheless. Unless either of them come down in price to what DVD is now. No guarantee in that but perhaps they will.
The prices of Blu-ray and non-combo HD DVDs are retailing for the same price as DVD were in 1998. It took awhile before DVDs were in the $17-20 range on day-of-release. Same with the HD formats. In fact, there are quite a few titles on both formats that you can pick up for under $20.
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I know you invested your money into bluray because you think it is the best quality. I have read only 3 movies have taken advantage of the higher capacity of bluray.
I didn't buy Blu-ray because I thought it was the best quality, as you're saying. I've never said that. I chose Blu-ray OVER HD DVD because of the studio support. Period. Up until Universal's desire to pumping out mediocre titles with equaling mediocre transfers, I believed they (both formats) were even in means of video and audio quality. (From what I understand, they sometimes share the same encodes on neutral releases from Paramount and WB.)
Besides, DVDs didn't utilize dual layer discs until 3-4 years after they hit the store room floors. In fact, the exclusion of dual layer discs is THE very reason the consumer got stuck with double-sided "flippers."
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BTW I am sure Ocean's 13 would look fantastic on HD-DVD too. It is a Warner Bros film.
But I don't own an HD DVD player.
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Warner does have some exclusives on HD-DVD. Batman Begins for one.
Batman Begins and other titles are "exclusive" not because of the reason Uni titles are. It has to do with the lame interactive features.
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Most Universal transfers are good. Just because a few recently have not been 100% does not mean they are all bad transfers.
Though I didn't use the word "recent" in talking about Uni's poor transfers, my wording implied so. Uni has been pumping out sub-par video releases of sub-par movies recently to bring up their catalog count.(What exactly would the benefit be to have Billy Madison in HD?
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It is fun being a naysayer though.
I only respond to you to be sure those that aren't as well-versed in what's going on come away without seeing both sides of the coin.
Last edited by Unfiltered; June 27th, 2007 at 12:41 AM.
I know you invested your money into bluray because you think it is the best quality. I have read only 3 movies have taken advantage of the higher capacity of bluray.
Let me guess . . . Ain't It Cool News?
There are quite a few BD-50s on the market already. I own three that I know of (both Pirates movies and Black Hawk Down.) Most of the support for these high capacity discs are from Sony and Disney. Warner and Paramount don't use them because they encode their stuff to the lowest common denominator. Maxing out a HD-DVD makes it easy to just port to Blu-ray. It doesn't work the other way.
Unfiltered - Since you don't own an HD-DVD player how do you know it is lame.
And if it is so bad that Billy Madison is in HD ,why is there a Click in Bluray? Besides Billy Madison isn't out yet.
So what other movies use the higher capacity?
MPEG2 movies don't count. It is a well known fact that it is the worst of the compression tech.
AVC and VC-1 would work fine on a lower capacity disc.
Unfiltered - Since you don't own an HD-DVD player how do you know it is lame.
Do you think I blindly purchased a PS3? I checked both of formats quite extensively. That's how I know the quality on (most) titles between the two formats are comparable and interactive features are lame.
I could care less about whatever interactive crap WB wants to put on The Matrix and Batman Begins Blu-rays. Just put the damn things out.
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And if it is so bad that Billy Madison is in HD ,why is there a Click in Bluray? Besides Billy Madison isn't out yet.
Click sucks ****. So does 50 First Dates. I could give two ****s about Adam Sandler movies.
I know Billy Madison isn't out yet. But it is part of Uni's floodgate crashing catalog release schedule before year's end. Yeah, I bet folks can't wait for:
Bulletproof, Mystery Men, Meet Joe Black (all out now) The Nutty Professor 2, Scent of a Woman, Streets of Fire, Sea of Love, Meet the Fockers, Mercury Rising, Notting Hill...
That list reminds me of the kind of schlock that bands put out when they need to fulfill their one last album on their record deal: just enough to get the job done.
Blu-ray has it's fair share of crap available. I wouldn't own them on SD DVD either.
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So what other movies use the higher capacity?
The Untouchables
The Warriors
Bridge to Terabithia
Seven Years in Tibet
Ghost Rider
The Cowboys
Hellboy
Rio Bravo
Blood Diamond
Do you think I blindly purchased a PS3? I checked both of formats quite extensively. That's how I know the quality on (most) titles between the two formats are comparable and interactive features are lame.
I could care less about whatever interactive crap WB wants to put on The Matrix and Batman Begins Blu-rays. Just put the damn things out.
Click sucks ****. So does 50 First Dates. I could give two ****s about Adam Sandler movies.
I know Billy Madison isn't out yet. But it is part of Uni's floodgate crashing catalog release schedule before year's end. Yeah, I bet folks can't wait for:
Bulletproof, Mystery Men, Meet Joe Black (all out now) The Nutty Professor 2, Scent of a Woman, Streets of Fire, Sea of Love, Meet the Fockers, Mercury Rising, Notting Hill...
That list reminds me of the kind of schlock that bands put out when they need to fulfill their one last album on their record deal: just enough to get the job done.
Blu-ray has it's fair share of crap available. I wouldn't own them on SD DVD either.
The Untouchables
The Warriors
Bridge to Terabithia
Seven Years in Tibet
Ghost Rider
The Cowboys
Hellboy
Rio Bravo
Blood Diamond
I don't think you blindly purchased the PS3. But I do think you are a blindly supporting them because of that $600 purchase. You don't want to be wrong.
It has just come out that '300' will have some interesting never seen before features coming out on the HD-DVD version that the Bluray version will lack.
For me I think this is pretty cool. Everyone has their own opinion.
Don't worry I have an RSS feed to that site. Like I said we all are informed here.
I don't think you blindly purchased the PS3. But I do think you are a blindly supporting them because of that $600 purchase. You don't want to be wrong.
It has just come out that '300' will have some interesting never seen before features coming out on the HD-DVD version that the Bluray version will lack.
Yes . . . it will have a streaming PiP feature that Blu-ray cannot handle at this time. Of course, once finalized, the specs for Blu-ray actually allow two separate streams of 1080p video, as opposed to HD-DVDs limit of one HD feed and one SD feed.
Many retailers will be selling the HD-DVD version of "300" for $5 more because it's a combo disc. I'm not sure a greater than 10% price increase is worth one specific feature. And actually the BD version WILL have the same features, just not the ability to play this specific blu-screen feed DURING the feature.
None of it matters to me, because I won't be renting OR buying this title.
I am curious, though, for someone who says they are informed, why is it that you had no idea how many BD-50 discs were on the market?
Yes . . . it will have a streaming PiP feature that Blu-ray cannot handle at this time. Of course, once finalized, the specs for Blu-ray actually allow two separate streams of 1080p video, as opposed to HD-DVDs limit of one HD feed and one SD feed.
Many retailers will be selling the HD-DVD version of "300" for $5 more because it's a combo disc. I'm not sure a greater than 10% price increase is worth one specific feature. And actually the BD version WILL have the same features, just not the ability to play this specific blu-screen feed DURING the feature.
None of it matters to me, because I won't be renting OR buying this title.
I am curious, though, for someone who says they are informed, why is it that you had no idea how many BD-50 discs were on the market?
Yet HDi is out now. No future what ifs and it will work on a $200 Xbox addon or a $300 HD-DVD player. 50% less than the PS3.
Why do you need 2 HD streams. I thought it was the movie that mattered?
About my remark about 50GB. I meant only those titles that go over the 30GB limit now that HD-DVD has. Half those titles Unfiltered mentioned are in HD-DVD and have the same video quality and better audio quality.
Untouchables for one.
Oh and that 300 will work in a regular DVD player, too. So you get 2 features for that $5 er I mean 10%.
Yet HDi is out now. No future what ifs and it will work on a $200 Xbox addon or a $300 HD-DVD player. 50% less than the PS3.
Again . . . with MORE than 50% fewer studios supporting the format.
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Why do you need 2 HD streams. I thought it was the movie that mattered?
It is. I don't think I was the one that brought up the feature in the first place.
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About my remark about 50GB. I meant only those titles that go over the 30GB limit now that HD-DVD has. Half those titles Unfiltered mentioned are in HD-DVD and have the same video quality and better audio quality.
Anything released from Sony or Disney on a BD-50 has exeeded the threshold. Unfortunately, Blu-ray owners have to suffer thanks to HD-DVDs limitations. Hopefully it won't be much longer.
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Oh and that 300 will work in a regular DVD player, too. So you get 2 features for that $5 er I mean 10%.
Yeah . . . cuz there's nothing I like more than to watch a 480i version of a movie I just bought in 1080i. Maybe we can bundle some VHS tapes onto to the backs of these babies while we're at it so I can watch it at my grandma's house!
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