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About This Page: This is a discussion on Computers/Tech/Photo within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by dgrycan
This is why High Def media, while definately able to be huge success, will have a hard time ever duplicating what DVD was able to do
This is why High Def media, while definately able to be huge success, will have a hard time ever duplicating what DVD was able to do for the consumer - both in convience and quality.
There are going to be some film elements out there that aren't going to handle the HD resolution thing very well - and some people will be surprised as to how many flaws (intentional and unintentional) will be reveal in some movies - especially those from decades past. And let's be honest - Gone With the Wind just won't do a full blown 5.1 Dolby HD track justice!
The biggest blow for studios is going to be in the TV on DVD field - a big chunk of their income over the last three years or so. Many shows were filmed in studio on video. There will be no HD available for many of them. Sure, of course most NEW shows are designed perfectly for the format, but that's a pretty large back catalog that will go untouched as far as money-making goes.
I highly doubt that a majority of TV shows will get next gen treatment. Honestly, I don't think they should even bother. Take a show like The Shield for example. Shot in 4:3 and with a worn in grainy look. What's the purpose of putting this on BluRay? On a television show like this I would be content on them porting an entire season that is usually on 4 DVDs onto a single BluRay disc for convenience.
I don't mind cleaning up old shows to get them look great but some shows will not be done well by this. If Disney is cleaning up a 60 year old copy of Snow White that's one thing. However, I don't necessarily need or want old episodes of Seinfeld cleaned up to the point where BluRay is really needed.
I highly doubt that a majority of TV shows will get next gen treatment. Honestly, I don't think they should even bother. Take a show like The Shield for example. Shot in 4:3 and with a worn in grainy look. What's the purpose of putting this on BluRay? On a television show like this I would be content on them porting an entire season that is usually on 4 DVDs onto a single BluRay disc for convenience.
I don't mind cleaning up old shows to get them look great but some shows will not be done well by this. If Disney is cleaning up a 60 year old copy of Snow White that's one thing. However, I don't necessarily need or want old episodes of Seinfeld cleaned up to the point where BluRay is really needed.
Heck, there are current movies that just are pointless in HD, so I buy the SD DVD. Does Superbad really need to be seen on Blu-ray? Not in my eyes, which is why I've bought the DVD.
That's exactly why I laughed at some of the catalog titles Uni was releasing. Seriously, Billy Madison? The Wedding Date?Happy ****ing Gilmore? Please. WB had their fair share too, as did the BR format as a whole.
That's another thing that hurt HD DVD. As long as SS wouldn't give his approval, format selling titles like Jurassic Park and E.T., they had to keep putting out their somewhat weak catalog.
WB never had that problem, because not only is WB's library fairly strong, it's also the largest in the world.
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Last edited by Unfiltered; February 23rd, 2008 at 02:04 AM.
guys i just thought i'd share an awesome deal i got on a sony bdp-s1 blu ray player. sure the player is old, but its built like a tank. i got an open box model from best buy for 149.99 after some haggling. most best buys i've called have this model open box. if you're in the market for an inexpensive blu ray player, i'd highly recommend giving your local best buy a call. i also heard that sears has these players on clearance too, so thats another option. the unit was marked at 299, but i negotiated with the manager. if you're willing to haggle a little, this could be a great deal for you.
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I know this may be trivla but I really hope that they stop using those stupid blue cases on Blu-Ray discs. It's a minor cosmetic thing, I know. I just feel that in most cases it looks really stupid and takes away from the cover art.
I don't know anything about the movie but I just wanted to include this as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Tacky
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What? Does the blu-Ray case not match the doiley on your dining room table, or is it the floral pattern on you plastic couch cover that it clashes with?
Seriously, who gives a **** what the case looks like?
What? Does the blu-Ray case not match the doiley on your dining room table, or is it the floral pattern on you plastic couch cover that it clashes with?
Seriously, who gives a **** what the case looks like?
Yeah, coming from a guy who probably has one of these...
Last edited by Unfiltered; February 23rd, 2008 at 03:43 PM.
quick question guys. i've been trying to get rid of my hd-dvd gear (movies and player). anyways, i sold 14 hd-dvd movies for $160. do you think i made a good deal or should i have just kept them? i just wanted to see what you guys though
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quick question guys. i've been trying to get rid of my hd-dvd gear (movies and player). anyways, i sold 14 hd-dvd movies for $160. do you think i made a good deal or should i have just kept them? i just wanted to see what you guys though
If you plan on rebuying those titles on Blu-ray, you may as well have kept them. Even if you get an amazing deal on 10 BR titles for $14.99 each, with sales tax, that put you in the red for what you sold those 14 movies for. (Forget about the hit you took selling the HD DVDs.)
The funny thing is, I don't recall ever seeing 14 HD DVD titles that made me think "ah, man. I wish those were on Blu-ray." Maybe half of those.
Well I'm glad we finally have winner but how long will it be before we have BD players with all the features of HD DVD and reasonable prices? I thought I would buy a player when the dust settled but now I am wondering if I should continue to wait a little longer?
I would love to be able to convert some of my HDV footage to BD but I understand that many of the cheaper BD players don't read recordable Blu Ray discs. Also I've read where machines with ethernet connectivity and full support of interactive features are still a ways off. It almost seems that the HD DVD as a standard was little more thought out from the start.
If you plan on rebuying those titles on Blu-ray, you may as well have kept them. Even if you get an amazing deal on 10 BR titles for $14.99 each, with sales tax, that put you in the red for what you sold those 14 movies for. (Forget about the hit you took selling the HD DVDs.)
The funny thing is, I don't recall ever seeing 14 HD DVD titles that made me think "ah, man. I wish those were on Blu-ray." Maybe half of those.
the only movies i plan on rebuying are the ocean's movies. i sold those for $40 (paid 52), so i'm not too worried. even though i took a loss, i'm glad that i got rid of the movies. my whole family has blu ray, so now i don't have to worry about the titles playing when i go to their houses.
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the only movies i plan on rebuying are the ocean's movies. i sold those for $40 (paid 52), so i'm not too worried. even though i took a loss, i'm glad that i got rid of the movies. my whole family has blu ray, so now i don't have to worry about the titles playing when i go to their houses.
Well I'm glad we finally have winner but how long will it be before we have BD players with all the features of HD DVD and reasonable prices? I thought I would buy a player when the dust settled but now I am wondering if I should continue to wait a little longer?
I would love to be able to convert some of my HDV footage to BD but I understand that many of the cheaper BD players don't read recordable Blu Ray discs. Also I've read where machines with ethernet connectivity and full support of interactive features are still a ways off. It almost seems that the HD DVD as a standard was little more thought out from the start.
Well, it depends on how you look at it.
Blu-ray has three different "profiles", 1.0, which most players on the market right now are. Profile 1.1 adds a secondary video decoder that can process a second 1080p signal for picture in picture purposes. (HD DVD, BTW, can only process the second frame at 480p, meaning that if the disc could give you the opportunity to switch between the two, you would see a quality difference.) Profile 2.0 includes all of the above, and more on board memory and an ethernet port. Of course, there's no idea as to what titles, if any, will take advantage of this - and all discs will play in all players, no matter what special features will not.
Bottom line, if you sit down and watch each and every special feature for the titles you own, then you might be better to wait*. On the other hand, you're missing out on some great high-def movies if you do, and you may find yourself ALWAYS waiting until the next big thing.
One advantage that Blu-ray has over HD DVD was that it was NOT a finished spec. Technology changes all the time. Each generation of hardware often adds new things. Look at Standard DVD players. My first DVD couldn't play DTS soundtracks, couldn't do seamless branching (which HD DVD can't either, BTW), couldn't read CDR/RW or DVD R/RW, couldn't output progressive video, couldn't upscale, etc.
There will be features on Blu-Ray players in five years that we haven't thought of yet. That's the beauty of technology.
* Of course, you could go out and get a PS3, one of the cheapest solutions on the market, Already 1.1 compliant, and should have no problem adapting to 2.0 profile through additional firmware upgrades - and it has a some nifty features that NO OTHER high def player has - it can play nect gen games (in you want it to), and connect WIRELESSLY for your convience.
dgrycan, thanks for taking the time to summarize all that.
It looks like the Panasonic DMP-BD30K is the best bang for the buck right now. It claims to have the "Final Standard Profile" with picture-in-picture. For me, the most important feature is the ability to play back recorded discs and this one appears to accept a wide range of media including recordable BDs, and DVDs recorded in AVCHD. The reviews indicate that it has one of the quickest start up times as well. At $499 it is still a little pricey, but it appears to be significanly more advanced than others in it's price range. Would that be your read as well?
dgrycan, thanks for taking the time to summarize all that.
It looks like the Panasonic DMP-BD30K is the best bang for the buck right now. It claims to have the "Final Standard Profile" with picture-in-picture. For me, the most important feature is the ability to play back recorded discs and this one appears to accept a wide range of media including recordable BDs, and DVDs recorded in AVCHD. The reviews indicate that it has one of the quickest start up times as well. At $499 it is still a little pricey, but it appears to be significanly more advanced than others in it's price ran
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