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About This Page: This is a discussion on Computers/Tech/Photo within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by dgrycan
I am afraid to play my HD DVD copy of "Breach" that is sitting here now, as it looks like it has been dropped in a
I am afraid to play my HD DVD copy of "Breach" that is sitting here now, as it looks like it has been dropped in a garbage disposal.
Yikes! I don't understand why folks don't care of OPP (Other People's Property) regardless if they're paying for it or not.
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Originally Posted by dgrycan
Needless to say, I'm fairly certain that before today, Universal and Paramount were working behind the scenes to see how their Blu-ray operations would begin - and this is another event that will make it happen sooner rather than later.
On the Uni front, I had heard from a few of my Uni Home Video buddies that the entertainment division as a whole was waiting for the writer's strike to end before making any bold changes to their plans. I think this fits in those guides.
We'll see soon enough, I suppose.
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I'm actually really surprised that Netflix made this move right now.
I think it's pretty clear that retailers are going to be the next big factor in this format war. A few weeks ago at the Best Buy in Porter Ranch, I was talking to a home theater dude, and he directed me to an overstock aisle that had almost a dozen open box HD DVD players that were apparently returned after the Warner announcement. They were pissed to not only take back these players, but then to have to slash the prices at a LOSS only two weeks later to keep them below the retail costs.
So I fully expect retailers to put the final nail in the coffin and reclaim valuable shelf space and limit confusion. All without much to lose, and a lot to gain.
Netflix, on the other hand, DOES have something to lose. The accounts of people (right or wrong) who are overly passionate about a stupid format war. Netflix gained a lot of new subscribers when Blockbuster announced an advanced Blu-ray support program last year (even though their online rental service was unaffected), so these people just got kicked in the nuts. In turn, I've already read the protests and accounts being closed. This will affect Netflix's bottom line.
As has been discussed in some various threads across the internets, I am wondering if the delicate nature of HD DVDs is playing a role in their decision. Right or wrong, durability is one major factor Blu-ray has over HD DVD. So far from Netflix, I haven't had a Blu-ray disc that hasn't looked pristine after a quick wipe. I am afraid to play my HD DVD copy of "Breach" that is sitting here now, as it looks like it has been dropped in a garbage disposal.
Needless to say, I'm fairly certain that before today, Universal and Paramount were working behind the scenes to see how their Blu-ray operations would begin - and this is another event that will make it happen sooner rather than later.
I'm sure their feeling is that helping to end this war quickly outweighs the insignificant amount of HD DVD supporters they'll lose. With Blockbuster already going with Blu-ray as well, where are these people going to rent movies from anyway?
__________________ I have to return some videotapes.
On the Uni front, I had heard from a few of my Uni Home Video buddies that the entertainment division as a whole was waiting for the writer's strike to end before making any bold changes to their plans. I think this fits in those guides.
We'll see soon enough, I suppose.
Well, I'm really wondering which party (Universal or Paramount) will blink first.
Both have had relations with Blu-ray before. Universal was originally going to support Blu prior to the formats launching, but obviously Paramount has the inside track, having released on the format only six months ago.
Having Ken Graffeo as the head of the HD DVD Promo group tells me that Universal will be the last man standing. I don't know how that guy still has a job - he's been wrong at so many things in this format war it's not even funny anymore. (Hope you don't mind me disparraging the man - I just think he's done more harm than good for his industry.)
I'm truly wondering if Netflix (with obvious direct working relationships with studios for their on-demand video services) have gotten wind that change is coming. It certainly makes you wonder with this annoucement coming this week, with the writer's strike apparently at an end.
To be honest, I would much rather wait a little longer for both Paramount and Universal to get their **** together prior to making any announcement. Both studios need to get to work on making sure their transfers are top notch (some of Universal's HD DVD efforts are pathetically lacking in transfer quality), as well as preparing to maximizing higher space/bitrate pipes with high-res audio. I'll be pissed if they announce support for Blu ad then do nothing but ship out 27GB disc ports of their current library - which, I'm afraid, is probably likely from the beginning. It's all about double dipping, after all!
Trying not to give too much away, but lets just say that Paramount has put on hold a big HD release. This was prior to todays announcement. I don't know the reason behind it, I just know that it's happened. I'd be more specific but don't want to risk getting in trouble.
__________________ I have to return some videotapes.
Last edited by NastiMarvasti; February 11th, 2008 at 12:40 PM.
"Best Buy Officially Recommends Blu-ray over HD DVD"
This is huge news, and I expect a snowball type response within the CE retail industry. The battle for dollars in a new disc format will be important, as a transition to digital downloads is doom for retailers.
"Best Buy Officially Recommends Blu-ray over HD DVD"
This is huge news, and I expect a snowball type response within the CE retail industry. The battle for dollars in a new disc format will be important, as a transition to digital downloads is doom for retailers.
This is a bad 1-2 punch for HD DVD.
Graffeo is big ****ing douche and if I ever meet the guy, I'll tell him so. (In a more "let me call you a ****ing douche and let me keep my job" way. ) I'm still utterly confused as to how, or WHY, him holding a "chair" on the HD DVD Promo Group and being Executive Vice President of Universal was acceptable to anyone.
****er should lose his job by year's end. ****gobbler.
Last edited by Unfiltered; February 11th, 2008 at 05:29 PM.
"Best Buy Officially Recommends Blu-ray over HD DVD"
This is huge news, and I expect a snowball type response within the CE retail industry. The battle for dollars in a new disc format will be important, as a transition to digital downloads is doom for retailers.
This is a bad 1-2 punch for HD DVD.
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I'm eagerly anticipating the "HD-DVD" jokes for the next 15 years...
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BB, always standing for truth, justice and the american way!
I'm eagerly anticipating the "HD-DVD" jokes for the next 15 years...
I don't think the jokes are even justified. The format is really good, but Toshiba went about it all the wrong way. They acted like Sony, and Sony acted like JVC did back in the day with VHS.
The thing that makes me laugh, and I will ALWAYS make jest of, is fanboy's INSANE retardation for their chosen format. I just don't get it. The FUBAR that went down on AVS was so unbelievably childish and makes me wonder about the state of mind of people in this world.
Had I chosen the "losing" format, I would've said "aaah, ****", sucked it up, waited for Sony, Disney, and Fox to switch, and for another HD DVD player to come out that wasn't a Toshiba or rebranded Toshiba (one that can play the vaporous 3-layer 51GB discs), and "go red."
I don't think the jokes are even justified. The format is really good, but Toshiba went about it all the wrong way. They acted like Sony, and Sony acted like JVC did back in the day with VHS.
The thing that makes me laugh, and I will ALWAYS make jest of, is fanboy's INSANE retardation for their chosen format. I just don't get it. The FUBAR that went down on AVS was so unbelievably childish and makes me wonder about the state of mind of people in this world.
Had I chosen the "losing" format, I would've said "aaah, ****", sucked it up, waited for Sony, Disney, and Fox to switch, and for another HD DVD player to come out that wasn't a Toshiba or rebranded Toshiba (one that can play the vaporous 3-layer 51GB discs), and "go red."
The only reason for the joke comment was because HD-DVD has slowed down the growth of HD in general and making it confusing for consumers.
On another note, I wonder what the pr0n bizz is going to do...
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I don't think the jokes are even justified. The format is really good, but Toshiba went about it all the wrong way. They acted like Sony, and Sony acted like JVC did back in the day with VHS.
The thing that makes me laugh, and I will ALWAYS make jest of, is fanboy's INSANE retardation for their chosen format. I just don't get it. The FUBAR that went down on AVS was so unbelievably childish and makes me wonder about the state of mind of people in this world.
Had I chosen the "losing" format, I would've said "aaah, ****", sucked it up, waited for Sony, Disney, and Fox to switch, and for another HD DVD player to come out that wasn't a Toshiba or rebranded Toshiba (one that can play the vaporous 3-layer 51GB discs), and "go red."
As I've said before - two factors made this war very different that times in the past - involving the video game console battle from the beginning, and HD DVD using price as a crutch to compensate for technical and support issues.
Even I had no idea of the tension between XBOX and Playstation users (who I think spend more time badmouthing the other side than actually enjoying their consoles.) This spilled over instantly into BD and HD DVD, as if there was much relation between them. The truth is that multiple video game consoles have proven effective in the past. Not so in the home video world. Treating them the same was one of Toshiba's mistakes, I think.
The price factor, unfortunately, brought people into the "early adopter" level, which they really didn't belong in. I can't believe how many threads on various boards were how Blu-ray was "too damned expensive." Obviously these were people that weren't anywhere near the DVD hardware aisles in the first three years of its existence, and Blu-ray is right in line price-wise to DVD in the same time frame. These people, who obviously couldn't afford the expected investment, because venomous to protect the decision that they made - as dumb as it was. I feel sorry for the people who truly were duped into a format without much of a future - not for some cheapskate who assumed that cheap = winner, without understanding the other factors involved in the transition.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who bought an HD DVD player in the past 6 months who didn't do their own research first. I've got more respect for the real early adopters who bought in 2006-1/2007. They looked at the specs or saw the footage, and made a choice.
Anyone else who bought after that, and didn't do their OWN research, BR or HD DVD, are morons. I recall that dgrycan and I bought our PS3s right around the same time in 1/2007. Both of us had done our own research, and quite honestly, we both were rolling the dice at that point. Both formats had just come of their first holiday season with very little exposure both in retail outlets.
And to see Blu-ray software outselling HD DVD 2-1 that first week or two after the New Year, I thought "if I'm getting in early, now is as good as time as any."
There were a few times last year when it looked like I may have made a mistake, and "VHS" was going to beat "Beta" in this format war. Then the HD DVD camp made the deal with Paramount, and Spielberg movies were NOT part of the deal, I knew HD DVD was going down in time.
All the educated consumer had to do was Google the topics and READ. That's it.
No sympathy here. And I can wait a year until next year for the Bourne Trilogy.
Begins AND The Dark Knight. I'm not hurting too bad on the Begins front. I've had it in 1080i from HBO for over a year. It'll be nice to finally "let it go."
NastiMarvasti
) I'm still utterly confused as to how, or WHY, him holding a "chair" on the HD DVD Promo Group and being Executive Vice President of Universal was acceptable to anyone.
