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About This Page: This is a discussion on Computers/Tech/Photo within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. I tried looking online if they sell receivers that have Doby Digital Plus or Dolby Digital True HD? My HD DVD player will only send a DTS signal when playing
I tried looking online if they sell receivers that have Doby Digital Plus or Dolby Digital True HD? My HD DVD player will only send a DTS signal when playing HD DVD's. I read that you have to use a receiver that accepts HDMI for sound in order to get Dolby and the others.
I bought an nice HD DVD player yesterday. It's a Toshiba HD-2A, got it from Best Buy for $387.99 (was $399.99). I had thought they were in the $600 and up range until I saw it. Let me you, the picture quality is incredible, even on my HD-Ready Mitsubishi 720p Rear Projection DLP TV. I noticed the selection for HD DVD's isn't as great as DVD but that's what happened when DVD started to replace VHS. I bought King Kong, V for Vendetta, and The Last Samurai.
I tried looking online if they sell receivers that have Doby Digital Plus or Dolby Digital True HD? My HD DVD player will only send a DTS signal when playing HD DVD's. I read that you have to use a receiver that accepts HDMI for sound in order to get Dolby and the others.
I bought an nice HD DVD player yesterday. It's a Toshiba HD-2A, got it from Best Buy for $387.99 (was $399.99). I had thought they were in the $600 and up range until I saw it. Let me you, the picture quality is incredible, even on my HD-Ready Mitsubishi 720p Rear Projection DLP TV. I noticed the selection for HD DVD's isn't as great as DVD but that's what happened when DVD started to replace VHS. I bought King Kong, V for Vendetta, and The Last Samurai.
Well, one thing Toshiba did on their bargain HD players is removed the 5.1 Digital output, so any processing of actual soundtracks has to be done by an outside source. As of now, the players are far ahead of the receivers, so you'll have to settle for less than the best in the audio department, and there's no way around it.
I've actually been waiver on jumping into HD-DVD as well to become format neutral, but I just don't like what HD-DVD has done in this format war. I just can't see myself buying into a format just for Universal movies, which is the only studio that is outside the reaches of Blu-ray at this point. Here's hope that Universal goes neutral before I do, and then HD-DVD can co-exist as long as it can support itself, but I can get all the movies I want on Blu-Ray.
Which brings me back to selection. Don't expect big things on selection, ESPECIALLY when it comes to HD-DVD. Unless major changes occur, you'll never see a Disney DVD or a FOX DVD or a Sony/MGM/Columbia DVD on HD-DVD. None of those studios support HD-DVD, and have no plans on supporting in the near future.
It's quite possible that next gen DVD formats could be just a niche format, similar to what Laserdisc was. Most people who watch regular DVDs already "think" they're watching them in HD, when it fact it's just anamorphic video.
BTW . . . you should give some of your standard DVDs a whirl in the Toshiba. It is supposedly one of the best upconverting players on the market.
Last edited by dgrycan; April 27th, 2007 at 12:12 AM.
Mr. Johnson, why did you post the rumored report AND the retraction report?
A big factor is that with the blue laser diodes are dropping in price (and both formats utilize the blue diodes), and that means the prices are going to be dropping on both formats' players. Once the standalone Blu-ray players dip into the sub-$400 area, and Sony puts out the Spider-man movies, the Blu-ray user base is going to grow.
As dgrycan points out, the studio support lies clearly in the BR camp.
It's just a matter of the HD-DVD camp throwing in the towel before they lose anymore money.
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Last edited by Unfiltered; April 27th, 2007 at 02:36 PM.
Mr. Johnson, why did you post the rumored report AND the retraction report?
A big factor is that with the blue laser diodes are dropping in price (and both formats utilize the blue diodes), and that means the prices are going to be dropping on both formats' players. Once the standalone Blu-ray players dip into the sub-$400 area, and Sony puts out the Spider-man movies, the Blu-ray user base is going to grow.
As dgrycan points out, the studio support lies clearly in the BR camp.
It's just a matter of the HD-DVD camp throwing in the towel before they lose anymore money.
You are making no sense. The majority of Blu-Ray players out there are PS3s which is widely known to be sold for a loss.
Spiderman is not worth spending $400 for most people.
Anyway the consumer should NOT be in this dilemma. I am still waiting.
You are making no sense. The majority of Blu-Ray players out there are PS3s which is widely known to be sold for a loss.
He makes plenty of sense. Diodes for these players used to be in the $125 per unit range. Now they are settling around $8. Joe-Six-Pack at Walmart isn't ready to make an impact in this fight yet. Rushing him in will be a mistake. He may or may not even have a display than can work with the format, and he more than likely doesn't even realize that his current cable/satellite/DVD that he watches now ISN'T high definition.
The biggest benefit of this format war has been to drive prices down like crazy.
As it stands . . . HD-DVD SHOULD be half-the price as Blu-ray. They will, in the long run, have half as many movies to choose from.
And Spiderman might not be worth spending $400 for, but add to it Disney's entire catalog, throw in some Jack Sparrow, throw in some Star Wars and James Bond - then you've got something. None of these will be HD-DVD titles unless studios change their stances drastically.
Last edited by dgrycan; April 27th, 2007 at 04:45 PM.
I heard somewhere that whatever format the porn industry picked would be the format that would be the winner between HD-DVD and BlueRay, I'm trying to find it but I think HD-DVD was picked by them...
I heard somewhere that whatever format the porn industry picked would be the format that would be the winner between HD-DVD and BlueRay, I'm trying to find it but I think HD-DVD was picked by them...
Don't buy into that silliness because that's all it is. Porn doesn't sell players.
DVD took off once Disney and Dreamworks stopped sucking on the DIVX teet (DIVX disc format that was released when DVDs were, and NOT the DiVx codec you use now), and started to release their titles on standard DVD, THEY (Disney) are the difference makers, not pornographers. And as dgrycan pointed out, Star Wars, the Bond Movies, the Toy Stories (ALL PIXAR), and the like are the difference makers.
Porn is more readily, and less conspicuously, available for download online. That is why they won't have anything close to the effect the had on the Beta/VHS issue. Sony made the mistake back then with the BetaMax and didn't have the studio support they have now with Blu-ray. Couple that with JVC licensing out the VHS technology, it spelled "doom" for BetaMax. That is not the case this time. (While there are a bunch of articles that suggest otherwise, here is someone who agrees that porn will not be the decider. http://www.wired.com/culture/lifesty.../2007/02/72625 )
Could HD-DVD turn it around? Sure it's possible, but not likely. Both formats have been out nearly a year and Blu-ray software is selling better than HD-DVD, and it doesn't look as though that is going to change anytime soon.
Heck, even Uni, the LONE HD-DVD ONLY MAJOR, is feeling the costly sting of the format. They announced a great deal of catalog and new titles coming out this year, and quite a few of them are NOT SD-DVD/HD-DVD COMBO discs they've been priding themselves on. They did this because the combo discs are sometimes as much as $10 more than their HD-DVD only counterparts. (I should also note that Uni isn't the only studio releasing these combo discs, as Warners is as well. But WB is format neutral, so they burden is more on Uni.)
Last edited by Unfiltered; April 28th, 2007 at 05:16 PM.
I heard somewhere that whatever format the porn industry picked would be the format that would be the winner between HD-DVD and BlueRay, I'm trying to find it but I think HD-DVD was picked by them...
That was true with VHS vs. Beta but nowadays there's so much porn on the internet that it's not gonna be the deciding factor. Studio support and manufacterer support are the two biggest things and they are both heavily in favor of Blu-ray.
Blu-ray studio support:
Paramount
Warner Sony (Columbia, Tri-Star)
Disney (Miramax, Buena Vista, Touchtone, Pixar)
Fox
Dreamworks
New Line
HBO
HD-DVD studio support:
Paramount
Warner Universal
Weinstein Company
New Line
HBO
Dreamworks
Bold = Exclusive
Exclusive Blu-ray titles: Star Wars
Pirates of the Carribean
Spider-Man
James Bond
Rocky
Exclusive HD-DVD titles: Jurassic Park
The Mummy
King Kong
Bourne Trilogy
Bold = Mega hits
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Last edited by NastiMarvasti; April 28th, 2007 at 05:13 PM.
And Spielberg isn't going to release that, as well as:
Jaws
Back to the Future Trilogy
E.T.
until the "losing" format bows out.
I work at NBC/Uni, and I have heard murmurs (see: rumors) that Blu-ray is probably going to come, but not until year's end at the earliest. The same people have said it's due to some kind of timed agreement Uni has with the DVD Forum. It's silly, quite honestly. The only people that it's really effecting is the consumer.
So, maybe Uni will toss their hat into the Neutral Format Ring, and have Blu-ray titles out by the time The Bourne Ultimatum hits video.
Last edited by Unfiltered; April 28th, 2007 at 07:04 PM.
And Spielberg isn't going to release that, as well as:
Jaws
Back to the Future Trilogy
E.T.
until the "losing" format bows out.
I work at NBC/Uni, and I have heard murmurs (see: rumors) that Blu-ray is probably going to come, but not until year's end at the earliest. The same people have said it's due to some kind of timed agreement Uni has with the DVD Forum. It's silly, quite honestly. The only people that it's really effecting is the consumer.
So, maybe Uni will toss their hat into the Neutral Format Ring, and have Blu-ray titles out by the time The Bourne Ultimatum hits video.
Interesting. I work for a DVD Menu design company and everyone seems to be waiting for this thing to play out. We're working on the Bourne Identity and Heroes right now actually. I for one really hope you guys go to Blu-ray soon. What do you do if you don't mind me asking?
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Bought an HDDVD player, any Dolby Digital Plus Receivers avail? 
NastiMarvasti
