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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Obama, McCain appear before religious voters
But Obama- in an answer that Republican partisans immediately pounced upon - sidestepped a question from the pastor who asked him to define at
But Obama- in an answer that Republican partisans immediately pounced upon - sidestepped a question from the pastor who asked him to define at what point a human being gets human rights.
"Whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade," he said.
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McCain sidestepped a question on who he defined as rich. At first, he joked and said that anything more than $5 million in income, but later he said "it doesn't matter" what he thinks on the issue, because "I don't want to raise anybody's taxes."
Your own politics will decide which evasion is more damning. A straight forward answer would be nice.
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I just plain couldn't stand that forum. Tailoring questions and answers to appease the Christian right makes sick. Why can't this country let religion be private?
"NOW YOU'VE MADE NO DOUBT ABOUT YOUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO YOU TO TRUST IN CHRIST AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN ON A DAILY BASIS? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE?"
I don't know... I don't think that first question is simple at all.... I certainly don't know how I would answer.
Geez, why is it so hard.
It's whatever you believe, not what you think the majority wants to hear? When does a child deserve fundamental rights?
A) at conception
B) at the 2nd trimester
C) at the third trimester
D) when it can survive outside the mother's womb
E) if it is alive and outside the mother's womb
F) never
If you are pro-choice and your daughter is pregnant at what point A-F would you want her to say "Hey, it's too late for an abortion."
The point that Rick Warren was trying to get at was that several right wing media outlets are claiming that Obama has voted in the past for not placing any limits on abortion, even in cases where the baby is alive outside the womb when the doctor has botched a partial birth procedure.
Obama doesn't want to answer the question. I think we know it's because his far left base (and I mean very far left) doesn't see anything wrong with what in my opinion is infanticide.
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Neither question is simple, although Obama's was a lot trickier than McCain's... you answer it too straightforward and you alienate a significant portion of your voters. Politics has become a game where you have to tiptoe your way across a floor covered in thumb tacks with the lights off. If you're expecting clear answers to questions such as those, you're not doing it right.
Too many Values issues are being discussed nowadays.
I don't know about you, but I actually prefer it if my candidate of choice doesn't believe in imaginary friends in the sky. We'll never hear them admit it, though...
Neither question is simple, although Obama's was a lot trickier than McCain's... you answer it too straightforward and you alienate a significant portion of your voters. Politics has become a game where you have to tiptoe your way across a floor covered in thumb tacks with the lights off. If you're expecting clear answers to questions such as those, you're not doing it right.
Too many Values issues are being discussed nowadays.
I don't know about you, but I actually prefer it if my candidate of choice doesn't believe in imaginary friends in the sky. We'll never hear them admit it, though...
Then maybe you should find a atheist to vote for. There are supposedly many around, but none seem to have the guts to run or those that do are hypocrites and conceal it.
Even if you are an atheist, it is still a legitimate question and it deserves a straight forward anwer. When is it murder to take the life of an unborn or just born child? Just tell us what you believe Senator Obama.
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Then maybe you should find a atheist to vote for. There are supposedly many around, but none seem to have the guts to run or those that do are hypocrites and conceal it.
I don't need to find an atheist to vote for because I focus on the real issues at hand in the election, not the third rail values and moral issues that distort the whole process. I'll vote for a Christian, Atheist, Jew, Muslim, whatever, so long as I feel the individual is dedicated to getting our country back on the right track.
Unfortunately, the issue of abortion has again become a political issue with the possibility of McCain appointing judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade. While in no way is that the only issue I'm basing my vote on, I'll take Obama and his socialist left-wing activist communist hippie liberal judges any day of the week. I heard they might not even wear a flag pin on their coat. It's tragic.
It's whatever you believe, not what you think the majority wants to hear? When does a child deserve fundamental rights?
A) at conception
B) at the 2nd trimester
C) at the third trimester
D) when it can survive outside the mother's womb
E) if it is alive and outside the mother's womb
F) never
If you are pro-choice and your daughter is pregnant at what point A-F would you want her to say "Hey, it's too late for an abortion."
The point that Rick Warren was trying to get at was that several right wing media outlets are claiming that Obama has voted in the past for not placing any limits on abortion, even in cases where the baby is alive outside the womb when the doctor has botched a partial birth procedure.
Obama doesn't want to answer the question. I think we know it's because his far left base (and I mean very far left) doesn't see anything wrong with what in my opinion is infanticide.
Ok, I can honestly say, that my answer would have been: "I don't know." So what does that make me? Why couldn't this be Obama's point of view, too? He just said it in a different way. I don't think that president of any country needs to have an answer to EVERY question. I don't know when a child deserves human rights.
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I don't need to find an atheist to vote for because I focus on the real issues at hand in the election, not the third rail values and moral issues that distort the whole process. I'll vote for a Christian, Atheist, Jew, Muslim, whatever, so long as I feel the individual is dedicated to getting our country back on the right track.
Unfortunately, the issue of abortion has again become a political issue with the possibility of McCain appointing judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade. While in no way is that the only issue I'm basing my vote on, I'll take Obama and his socialist left-wing activist communist hippie liberal judges any day of the week. I heard they might not even wear a flag pin on their coat. It's tragic.
I see, it's not a political or moral issue when doctors are performing partial birth abortions when the child is killed outside the mother's womb. Check.
I don't give a f*** about a flag pin. I do care about whether or not our society condones infanticide.
Abortion isn't my main issue, but how about a little honesty on this point from Obama. I'm sure that he has an opinion, he just doesn't want to share it.
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Ok, I can honestly say, that my answer would have been: "I don't know." So what does that make me? Why couldn't this be Obama's point of view, too? He just said it in a different way. I don't think that president of any country needs to have an answer to EVERY question. I don't know when a child deserves human rights.
My advice to you is to go back and think about when you would have liked to be granted the basic human right of continuing to live.
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Last edited by KINGS17; August 17th, 2008 at 03:59 PM.
My advice to you is to go back and think about when you would have liked to be granted the basic human right of continuing to live.
I'm not really in a hurry. You know why? Because there is no correct answer. That much I DO know.
Now...if I know that there is no correct answer to a question, there is really nothing I can do about it and I will not be thinking about it forever. I was thinking about it long enough and I couldn't find the answer.
Now you made that look very sarcastic and great, but, of course, it is certain, that after the child is born those rights ARE given to him or her.
I'm not really in a hurry. You know why? Because there is no correct answer. That much I DO know.
Now...if I know that there is no correct answer to a question, there is really nothing I can do about it and I will not be thinking about it forever. I was thinking about it long enough and I couldn't find the answer.
Now you made that look very sarcastic and great, but, of course, it is certain, that after the child is born those rights ARE given to him or her.
Thank you. You are on board with choice E then. That's fine, it's your opinion and you answered the question. We deserve at least that much candor from Senator Obama.
__________________ Hockey's original bad boy. The "Cowboy" Howie Young
Thank you. You are on board with choice E then. That's fine, it's your opinion and you answered the question. We deserve at least that much candor from Senator Obama.
No, that was not my answer. I just said, what was a fact in every country. Some countries stay there and some go "back" more. If it was me, I couldn't decide between C or D. Maybe somewhere between B and C? That's what I was talking about.
But you know... giving rights is easy, I could go with C, because I just don't find it morally right to do an abortion when you are that much through. And I'm strictly against abortion bans. I would also be for some sort of regulation for women who do the abortion for 5, 10 times. Some have done it for over 40 times. I am very much pro choice, but I somehow consider this unacceptable. And what about women's rights? When do their rights jump in? The right to make decisions with your body? Or is woman just a birth giving machine?
See, this is why this question is much tougher, than it sounds. The more you are thinking, the tougher it is.
KINGS17
They are simple questions... 
