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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. PickensPlan: The Plan
Some interesting ideas.
He eliminates nuclear from being part of the immediate solution, but assumes it would be part of the long term solution.
I would add
He eliminates nuclear from being part of the immediate solution, but assumes it would be part of the long term solution.
I would add to the plan drilling off of the continental shelf and in ANWR as well. There is no reason to give Middle Eastern countries any bigger piece of the pie than we have to.
If you believe that our dependence on foreign oil is our biggest problem both economically and geo-politically, then here is someone that is at least putting forth a plan with some specifics.
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I posted this over in the politics forum, but since most of you are far too wise to visit there very often, and because it is so important I thought I would put it here too.
He eliminates nuclear from being part of the immediate solution, but assumes it would be part of the long term solution.
I would add to the plan drilling off of the continental shelf and in ANWR as well. There is no reason to give Middle Eastern countries any bigger piece of the pie than we have to.
If you believe that our dependence on foreign oil is our biggest problem both economically and geo-politically, then here is someone that is at least putting forth a plan with some specifics.
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Needs to stay in politics. A lot of people purposely stay out of this forum.
Like the idea of us tapping more into wind power. Feel like we should do that more here in Corona and towns where the winds just sweep through. Don't rely just on the wind turbines in the desert.
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When one of the biggest oil guys proposes something like this it makes me think why Big Oil is only, at best, dipping their toes in the renewable energy business. When Exxon Mobil has a quartely net profit of $11 Billion you would think that if they put, say, $1Billion every quarter toward research and development they could be one of the biggest players in this area for the next 100 years. Ultimeately, this would make Exxon, and its shareholders, even more money.
Nuclear is not economically feasible. Aside from the problem of storing radioactive waste for thousands of years there are a few other issues. New nuclear plants have to be insured by taxpayers. The insurance industry will not touch them. Also, Uranium mining is very destructive and the greenhouse gases that are produced is not taken into account- the pro-nuclear crowd always says that nuclear power produces no greenhouse gases. France gets about 80% of its power from nuclear. The French government is covering up the fact that the superheated water from its nuclear plants is superheating the water in the rivers that they flush in to, and this drastcally changes the aquatic habitat. Many say that nuclear power is safer than it used to be. But each plant you build has the potential for a serious accident that would affect millions of people. Plus, each plant is a potential terrorist target. Unless the terrorists are going to block out the sun or stop the wind from blowing I don't see a problem with going this way.
Solar, solar thermal, wind, geo thermal are all technologies that can reduce our dependence on not just foreign oil, but oil in general. Battery technology will have to continue to improve. The only subisidies that twe should allow the oil companies to enjoy are those that are due to any investment that they put toward renewable energy technology. Even then, they have more than enough money to dive into this market.
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When one of the biggest oil guys proposes something like this it makes me think why Big Oil is only, at best, dipping their toes in the renewable energy business. When Exxon Mobil has a quartely net profit of $11 Billion you would think that if they put, say, $1Billion every quarter toward research and development they could be one of the biggest players in this area for the next 100 years. Ultimeately, this would make Exxon, and its shareholders, even more money.
Nuclear is not economically feasible. Aside from the problem of storing radioactive waste for thousands of years there are a few other issues. New nuclear plants have to be insured by taxpayers. The insurance industry will not touch them. Also, Uranium mining is very destructive and the greenhouse gases that are produced is not taken into account- the pro-nuclear crowd always says that nuclear power produces no greenhouse gases. France gets about 80% of its power from nuclear. The French government is covering up the fact that the superheated water from its nuclear plants is superheating the water in the rivers that they flush in to, and this drastcally changes the aquatic habitat. Many say that nuclear power is safer than it used to be. But each plant you build has the potential for a serious accident that would affect millions of people. Plus, each plant is a potential terrorist target. Unless the terrorists are going to block out the sun or stop the wind from blowing I don't see a problem with going this way.
Solar, solar thermal, wind, geo thermal are all technologies that can reduce our dependence on not just foreign oil, but oil in general. Battery technology will have to continue to improve. The only subisidies that twe should allow the oil companies to enjoy are those that are due to any investment that they put toward renewable energy technology. Even then, they have more than enough money to dive into this market.
It's a good program, but in my opinion, it is incomplete.
I too would add increased exploration and production of domestic sources of petroleum to the plan. Our dependence on foreign sources is without-a-doubt our biggest national-security concern and the only way to lessen that concern quickly is by having a complete program. You also have to have nuclear be a more near-term solution.
I'm all for solar and wind and natural gas power, but adding the above to his program (with the incentives required to spur rapid development of technologies that use alternatives) is imperative, in my opinion.
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The idea that people would be willing to give up on foreign oil in lieu of national security is ludicrous. When it comes down to it, drilling in higher risk/lower reward areas that REQUIRE high per barrel prices to be profitable can be combatted by these oil providers if push came to shove - and Joe Blow didn't have a problem the day after 9/11 buying oil from the Middle East - and they certainly would have no problem if it meant more money in his wallet.
They don't seem to have many problems dumping hundreds of billions of dollars on goods from China that has basically flatlined the economy of many towns in this very country.
Only a third of known oil has been recovered in the world.
Most primary recovery of known oil is within 21 billion barrels (about three years worth) of being completed in the U.S. That's gotten us 10-20% of the oil we have discovered easily and cheaply. Technological advances in secondary recovery (water and CO2 recovery) have come about so that the DOE now believes we have an additional recoverable amount of oil in a range of 80 and 400 billion barrels (depending on the availability of CO2) over and above the 21 billion they thought we had left. All that recoverable by using CO2 captured during combustion for power generation...a process that is being made cheaper and cheaper through technological advancement.
We are sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the world if our government allows oil companies to go get it.
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Get all the voters in this country to pay tax to help subsidize businesses that Boone will finance? Sounds like a good way to make a few more billion dollars before he dies.
In any case, we're going to need to make the switch. Solars going to be as cheap per watt as coal in 5-10 years if not sooner. I know Boone is pushing wind, but I feel solar will be more of the future.
Natural gas as a fuel for vehicles is already in use. Crappy total mileage (per total fill, about 220-250 miles per tank), but good fuel economy, and is much cheaper now, though I'm sure speculators will find a way to drive up the price of natural gas.
Only a third of known oil has been recovered in the world.
Most primary recovery of known oil is within 21 billion barrels (about three years worth) of being completed in the U.S. That's gotten us 10-20% of the oil we have discovered easily and cheaply. Technological advances in secondary recovery (water and CO2 recovery) have come about so that the DOE now believes we have an additional recoverable amount of oil in a range of 80 and 400 billion barrels (depending on the availability of CO2) over and above the 21 billion they thought we had left. All that recoverable by using CO2 captured during combustion for power generation...a process that is being made cheaper and cheaper through technological advancement.
We are sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the world if our government allows oil companies to go get it.
Developing our own petroleum reserves is going to be essential to the survival of this economy. Without affordable gasoline we are heading for very tough times and a possible depression.
FBJ, how do you see things working out for the airline industry with the airlines unable to make a profit without significantly raising the price of a ticket? How many people will be able to afford a ticket when they are putting $5 a gallon gas into their cars?
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