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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. An Orange County Register investigation has found that the program, designed 30 years ago to protect police from criminals, has been expanded to cover hundreds of thousands of public employees
An Orange County Register investigation has found that the program, designed 30 years ago to protect police from criminals, has been expanded to cover hundreds of thousands of public employees – from police dispatchers to museum guards – who face little threat from the public. Their spouses and children can get the plates, too.
An Orange County Register investigation has found that the program, designed 30 years ago to protect police from criminals, has been expanded to cover hundreds of thousands of public employees – from police dispatchers to museum guards – who face little threat from the public. Their spouses and children can get the plates, too.
Absolutely. Do you think they should be subject to jail time and/or community service as well? I'm leaning toward yes.
If "the regular guy" did this, s/he'd be up the creek without a paddle.
Great detective work done by the reporter(s) who broke this story.
Jail is an interesting idea. The Jails are too crowded though. I think they should be suspended without pay for a period and then community service. Maybe make them clean up trash with the late on child support people.
If a regular guy did this we would have lost our license. I have gotten 2 tickets from the toll roads (both their mistake) from times I haven't even been on them and those people are serious *******s. You have to spend hours clearing up their mistake.
Last edited by KingsJohn/Obediah; April 4th, 2008 at 02:39 PM.
The most obnoxious behavior detailed in this report is that cops let their own off the hook for violations as a "professional courtesy." Let's just call it what it is, police corruption.
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What irks me is the cost of the program in itself and the fact some officials are looking to expand it. I suppose in theory I can understand the need for privacy with officials and some police but museum workers?
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Last edited by Hipcheck; April 4th, 2008 at 03:42 PM.
The most obnoxious behavior detailed in this report is that cops let their own off the hook for violations as a "professional courtesy." Let's just call it what it is, police corruption.
Ok so when a doctor perfoms a procedure for another doctor (or family member) at a reduced cost or lawyer does pro bono work for another lawyer or a contractor trades free work in return for another type of work, is that corruption too?
I dont have to issue a ticket to everyone I stop. Granted Im more likely to give a cop a break depending on the seriousness of the situation but I have also let plenty of normal citizens off as well.
I have confidential plates on my car and I have never nor will I drive in the toll lanes w/o paying. Also my wife was driving her car with confidential plates and was given a ticket. So let's not say they always get off with a freebie.....
What irks me is the cost of the program in itself and the fact some officials are looking to expand it. I suppose in theory I can understand the need for privacy with officials and some police but museum workers?
What do you have against museum workers Hip? you're such a hater!
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FYI, I also have confidentiality plates on my veh. That is total BS about the toll roads and a free ride. Even with confidential plates the vehicle is still registered to that person. And, if you get cited: parking ticket, toll road evasion etc, the ticket will still go to your house. If for some reason you got out of the toll road or parking ticket or can't find you, they will get you and fine you (Including late fees) when you register your vehicle.
Ok so when a doctor perfoms a procedure for another doctor (or family member) at a reduced cost or lawyer does pro bono work for another lawyer or a contractor trades free work in return for another type of work, is that corruption too?
I dont have to issue a ticket to everyone I stop. Granted Im more likely to give a cop a break depending on the seriousness of the situation but I have also let plenty of normal citizens off as well.
I have confidential plates on my car and I have never nor will I drive in the toll lanes w/o paying. Also my wife was driving her car with confidential plates and was given a ticket. So let's not say they always get off with a freebie.....
Let the flaming begin.....
No flaming I think.
The difference is this: the hypothetical exchanges of services by the doctors, lawyers and contractors you present are transactions between private citizens and so those cases aren't corruption. A cop, or any other public employee, holds an office with certain prescribed duties to fulfill. Without the office they no longer have the powers and duties of the office. Cops, public school teachers, and fish and game guys don't personally 'own' the powers of their office or the services they provide, those are a function of the position they've been entrusted with.
A game warden can't ethically let his buddy poach trout out of a catch and release stream; a teacher can't fail to report a kid in his class who might have been beat on because the kids' parents are his neighbors, etc.
Last edited by Leonidas; April 5th, 2008 at 10:43 AM.
I think what it comes down to is that there are just too many people working for the government. I mean, has anyone done a study of how many employees the govt (fed, state or otherwise) has compared to the overall population. The ratio? I'll bet not only is it bloated it has gotten worse in the last 20 years. With all of these wonderful "benefits" and pensions would anyone really be surprised?
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The difference is this: the hypothetical exchanges of services by the doctors, lawyers and contractors you present are transactions between private citizens and so those cases aren't corruption. A cop, or any other public employee, holds an office with certain prescribed duties to fulfill. Without the office they no longer have the powers and duties of the office. Cops, public school teachers, and fish and game guys don't personally 'own' the powers of their office or the services they provide, those are a function of the position they've been entrusted with.
A game warden can't ethically let his buddy poach trout out of a catch and release stream; a teacher can't fail to report a kid in his class who might have been beat on because the kids' parents are his neighbors, etc.
Ok I understand your point. Most often than not, "professional courtesy" deals with traffic infractions. But, when dealing with infractions (which most minor traffic violations are) the penal code never states "Shall make an arrest" (basically issue a ticket) it does state "May make an arrest." Police officers have the right to either issue a verbal or written warning or write a ticket as they see fit. There are no such things as ticket quotas and if I'm not mistaken they are illegal. The cities do not receive much, if any, from the tickets that we issue. The fine amounts are set by the courts not the city. If you go by a strictly "per ticket basis" I have let more citizens go with warnings than off duty police officers.
Will I ever write another police officer a traffic ticket, probably not. Are there departments that do, yes there are. So is it unethical that I choose not to write a an off duty police officer a ticket, IMHO no.
Regarding the toll roads, I know that they sent a bill to our station when a couple of our on-duty police units used the toll road in an emergency situation. Also they sent the LA County or City Fire Dept. a bill when their trucks used the toll roads during the Santiago fires. So I dont know why they wouldn't send a bill to the individuals dept. that the confidential plates comes back to.
Hopefully this is making sense after a 14 hour shift at work.......
Those damn government workers!! I say we fire 'em all and let total chaos ensue!
Yes, I do believe the confidential plate system is a good and necessary thing. I can understand law enforcement, judges, probation officers, etc. needing it. But I do think that museum guards is going a bit far.
As for me, I don't have confidential plates. But if my information ever falls into the wrong hands, they're more than welcome to show up at the address on record...
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They'll only cite you for selling without a permit.
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