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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. I post an important piece of information that will affect us all for a long long time.
I even try an attention grabbing title. But it gets 9 responses.
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I post an important piece of information that will affect us all for a long long time.
I even try an attention grabbing title. But it gets 9 responses.
Someone else posts an obviously biased youtube video on Obama's abortion views. It gets 37 responses in less than a day.
Hell I do it also. I did post it that Obama abortion thread.
Go to Politico.com. How many articles are there about the financial mess or the Iraq War or energy policies? These are political issues through and through yet the so called political writers are talking about he said she said BS. Pig Lipstick and Fish. Clinton Backers going to McCain. The strategies of getting voters. These are not issues but metaissues. They are talked about because they are easy. The researched needed is minimal. And knee jerk reactions are encouraged.
We really need to change the process to focus on issues and not personalities. But I doubt it will happen anytime soon or anytime at all.
Anyone have ideas?
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I post an important piece of information that will affect us all for a long long time.
I even try an attention grabbing title. But it gets 9 responses.
Someone else posts an obviously biased youtube video on Obama's abortion views. It gets 37 responses in less than a day.
Hell I do it also. I did post it that Obama abortion thread.
Go to Politico.com. How many articles are there about the financial mess or the Iraq War or energy policies? These are political issues through and through yet the so called political writers are talking about he said she said BS. Pig Lipstick and Fish. Clinton Backers going to McCain. The strategies of getting voters. These are not issues but metaissues. They are talked about because they are easy. The researched needed is minimal. And knee jerk reactions are encouraged.
We really need to change the process to focus on issues and not personalities. But I doubt it will happen anytime soon or anytime at all.
Anyone have ideas?
Actually Jeffrey Toobin and several other reporters were talking last night about that very thing and calling to task ALL reporters for not getting to the issues and especially not making the McCain/Palin ticket answer some questions. I think the public should be calling for some answers from them.
There has never been a VP candidate who has hidden from the press for this long. All three other candidates have been in the public eye forever. McCain needs to quit hiding and crying "crocodile tears" as one reporter put it.
Hopefully things will change - there's only 58 days or so before the election. I think we deserve to hear where they all stand.
Actually Jeffrey Toobin and several other reporters were talking last night about that very thing and calling to task ALL reporters for not getting to the issues and especially not making the McCain/Palin ticket answer some questions. I think the public should be calling for some answers from them.
There has never been a VP candidate who has hidden from the press for this long. All three other candidates have been in the public eye forever. McCain needs to quit hiding and crying \"crocodile tears\" as one reporter put it.
Hopefully things will change - there's only 58 days or so before the election. I think we deserve to hear where they all stand.
See? My thought is that this attitude is one of the reasons for this problem. You (and others) are so anxious to get blood and declare victory for your side, that you really don't care about the issue, so long as you can pick it apart and say why that's wrong. That does nothing besides encourage the candidates to refrain from REALLY talking about what is important. They're so discouraged and fearful about saying something that people will jump all over, that they really won't be honest or open for discussion. If there was more of an open dialogue, you'd see more talk being done. Won't happen as long as you guys keep looking for the other side to say something you don't like.
See? My thought is that this attitude is one of the reasons for this problem. You (and others) are so anxious to get blood and declare victory for your side, that you really don't care about the issue, so long as you can pick it apart and say why that's wrong. That does nothing besides encourage the candidates to refrain from REALLY talking about what is important. They're so discouraged and fearful about saying something that people will jump all over, that they really won't be honest or open for discussion. If there was more of an open dialogue, you'd see more talk being done. Won't happen as long as you guys keep looking for the other side to say something you don't like.
... so... candidates don't actually need to answer questions?
... so... candidates don't actually need to answer questions?
As soon as they start, PLEASE, let me know. When was the last time you really heard one answer a question with a really solid answer that provoked thought or discussion? Every answer they give is calculated and designed to get the best possible reaction. There's a reason they get all the questions before debates. It's so they can use focus groups and speechwriters to formulate an opinion.
As soon as they start, PLEASE, let me know. When was the last time you really heard one answer a question with a really solid answer that provoked thought or discussion? Every answer they give is calculated and designed to get the best possible reaction. There's a reason they get all the questions before debates. It's so they can use focus groups and speechwriters to formulate an opinion.
So... they should just... not speak in public, or be interviewed at any time. Just... let them release the occasional soundbite and make our decision based on that?
Seriously? If Obama said he didn't want to be interviewed because he wanted the proper "deference"... he'd be pilloried by the media(and me for him being a douche). If McCain pulled a "I'm too old to be interviewed so take it easy on me and don't ask me any questions that might make me uncomfortable" I'd call him a douche.
We need to know about these wankers and figure out where they stand... and the only way to do that is to have them answer relevant questions. Anyone running for public office...but hiding from the public... can't be trusted in my book. Let her stand tall... just like any man(and hillary).. and take the heat.
After all... "If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen... even if the kitchen is where you belong" -Heyooo!
So... they should just... not speak in public, or be interviewed at any time. Just... let them release the occasional soundbite and make our decision based on that?
Seriously? If Obama said he didn't want to be interviewed because he wanted the proper \"deference\"... he'd be pilloried by the media(and me for him being a douche). If McCain pulled a \"I'm too old to be interviewed so take it easy on me and don't ask me any questions that might make me uncomfortable\" I'd call him a douche.
We need to know about these wankers and figure out where they stand... and the only way to do that is to have them answer relevant questions. Anyone running for public office...but hiding from the public... can't be trusted in my book. Let her stand tall... just like any man(and hillary).. and take the heat.
After all... \"If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen... even if the kitchen is where you belong\" -Heyooo!
...and I totally agree with that. The problem is that Utopia doesn't exist. All these question and answer sessions are, for the most part, staged. So, even though McCain and Obama haven't directly said what you stated, they more or less have since they don't do any town hall meetings where they take questions from an audience educated on the issues. The reason? Because they don't want to be attacked or questioned on their answers lest someone on a message board starts screaming it from the top of the internet mountains and kills their campaign. Howard Dean anyone?
The problem is Smythe that THIS is what McCain's campaign manager said a week ago about the campaign and how it would be run by their side. So what to do? They aren't just fearful of making a boneheaded mistake on the issues, The McCain people have decided they can only win if the issues AREN'T the focus.
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The problem is Smythe that THIS is what McCain's campaign manager said a week ago about the campaign and how it would be run by their side. So what to do? They aren't just fearful of making a boneheaded mistake on the issues, The McCain people have decided they can only win if the issues AREN'T the focus.
Well, unfortunately, they're mostly right too. While that might be their strategy, it's also the real problem. Most people out there don't care about the issues. They just look for the letter after the name and vote for them. The only people that both sides are trying to win are the swing/moderate voters out there. I'd say most of them are concerned about some of the issues, but usually it boils down to how much money will get put in my pockets. Notice you never hear the candidates talk about how they're going to get the homeless working or getting help? Never hear them talk about how they're going to fix the problems with schools having outdated technology and coursework? What DO they talk about? Taxes, free this, free that. Never about the hard stuff that will take real work.
...and I totally agree with that. The problem is that Utopia doesn't exist. All these question and answer sessions are, for the most part, staged. So, even though McCain and Obama haven't directly said what you stated, they more or less have since they don't do any town hall meetings where they take questions from an audience educated on the issues. The reason? Because they don't want to be attacked or questioned on their answers lest someone on a message board starts screaming it from the top of the internet mountains and kills their campaign. Howard Dean anyone?
Umm - staged or unstaged, there's only 3 people answering questions.
I hear Democrats talking about unemployment, homelessness, and education all the time... Obama has been focusing on unemployment and the education almost exclusively recently. It just so happens that he mentioned lipstick and pigs recently too.
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The problem is Smythe that THIS is what McCain's campaign manager said a week ago about the campaign and how it would be run by their side. So what to do? They aren't just fearful of making a boneheaded mistake on the issues, The McCain people have decided they can only win if the issues AREN'T the focus.
"Davis added that issues will no doubt play a major role in the decisions undecided voters will make but that they won't ultimately be conclusive."
More great reporting by the reporter. Just like other right wingers going nuts over the lipstick comment, taking something that is very borderline and making something sensationalistic out of it.
He is speaking the truth. in any conversation, people will very rarely remember the words that are said, they will ALWAYS remember how they feel. He's just saying that people will vote for the person that they emotionally feel most comfortable with, and he feels that they will feel more comfortable with McCain the more they get to know him.
The Obama side knows this as well, which is why both sides sit there and pummel each other about bull**** instead of talking about issues. Which is why he talks about change but not specifics about the plan - he wants people to FEEL change. and why McCain is labeled as McSAME. Why McCain's side brings up Sex Ed to Kindergartners and lipstick comments.
this board is just an example of both sides filling space with the same crap that Go would like to get around (and I commend you for that, Go). And even those people who SAY they are all about the issues start making personal attacks on the people instead of just talking about the issues?
WELL, IT'S OKAY TO DO THE SAME TO THEM IF THEY DID IT TO US is the argument of a 5 year old. AND BOTH SIDES USE IT.
I want to see a day on this board where we can talk about some issues without the personal attacks, the name calling, the identity politics that is happening everywhere else.
I HAVE A DAMN DREAM because UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY, WE'RE ****ED.
More great reporting by the reporter. Just like other right wingers going nuts over the lipstick comment, taking something that is very borderline and making something sensationalistic out of it.
Exactly, just like that You Tube video trying to claim that Obama was ok with killing babies that survived the abortion process. Its a damn shame that everything every candidate says gets torn to pieces without giving the full context. Just like the "lipstick" comment by Obama, he was not even talking about Palin yet everyone is up in arms.
If you arent willing or ready to do research on your own its hard to know whats true and whats fantasy and thats why I think most Americans are so confused as to what to believe with the media.
\"Davis added that issues will no doubt play a major role in the decisions undecided voters will make but that they won't ultimately be conclusive.\"
More great reporting by the reporter. Just like other right wingers going nuts over the lipstick comment, taking something that is very borderline and making something sensationalistic out of it.
He is speaking the truth. in any conversation, people will very rarely remember the words that are said, they will ALWAYS remember how they feel. He's just saying that people will vote for the person that they emotionally feel most comfortable with, and he feels that they will feel more comfortable with McCain the more they get to know him.
The Obama side knows this as well, which is why both sides sit there and pummel each other about bull**** instead of talking about issues. Which is why he talks about change but not specifics about the plan - he wants people to FEEL change. and why McCain is labeled as McSAME. Why McCain's side brings up Sex Ed to Kindergartners and lipstick comments.
this board is just an example of both sides filling space with the same crap that Go would like to get around (and I commend you for that, Go). And even those people who SAY they are all about the issues start making personal attacks on the people instead of just talking about the issues?
WELL, IT'S OKAY TO DO THE SAME TO THEM IF THEY DID IT TO US is the argument of a 5 year old. AND BOTH SIDES USE IT.
I want to see a day on this board where we can talk about some issues without the personal attacks, the name calling, the identity politics that is happening everywhere else.
I HAVE A DAMN DREAM because UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY, WE'RE ****ED.
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