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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Should the Democrats seat the Michigan and Florida delegates at their convention?
I am very interested in what some of you will have to say. Shouldn't every vote count?
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I don't know the whole story behind this, but wasn't it agree that they weren't going to count and then once Clinton started losing, her campaign began to argue that they should seat the delegates after all?
just because the DNC doesn't like the way FLA or Mich did things doesn't mean they shouldn't be represented at all.
There are a lot of problems with that because you could argue the fact that people knew it didn't count suppressed turnout and didn't give an accurate reflection.
There are a lot of problems with that because you could argue the fact that people knew it didn't count suppressed turnout and didn't give an accurate reflection.
As well as the fact that Obama, Edwards, et al barely campaigned there because they knew it wouldn't count.
The whole way the primaries are run is stupid, with party bosses threatening states and super delagates voting any way they choose. Just let the people vote and then count them.
I noticed that the governor from Florida has offered to hold another primary for the Dems, if they refuse to seat their delegates.
Also, wondering how people feel about Hillary Clinton filing a lawsuit to get these delegates seated. You know it's coming, especially if she wins either Texas or Ohio today, or both.
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Last edited by KINGS17; March 4th, 2008 at 11:48 AM.
Here's an article I read yesterday in the NYRB that breaks the whole thing down and tells what negotiations are going on in the Dem Party leadership right now. This is a very clear and comprehensive article about the possibilities.
Basically, Michigan and Florida f'd up. Howard Dean did too. Clinton is talking out of both sides of her mouth on it. No revote is planned in either state. A compromise is in the works. The super delegates are likely to try to force Clinton out if she doesn't get landslide wins today. Clinton may very well put personal ambition above the interests of the party if she/they play true to form.
On another note, but not entirely unrelated, I saw yesterday that in a poll of Republican voters 49% of them want Huckabee to stay in the race and 40% think he should withdraw even though he has no chance to win against McCain. I don't get the logic of that except that it means McCain still has only a minority of support in the party.
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Last edited by Leonidas; March 4th, 2008 at 03:52 PM.
Here's an article I read yesterday in the NYRB that breaks the whole thing down and tells what negotiations are going on in the Dem Party leadership right now. This is a very clear and comprehensive article about the possibilities.
Basically, Michigan and Florida f'd up. Howard Dean did too. Clinton is talking out of both sides of her mouth on it. No revote is planned in either state. A compromise is in the works. The super delegates are likely to try to force Clinton out if she doesn't get landslide wins today. Clinton may very well put personal ambition above the interests of the party if she/they play true to form.
On another note, but not entirely unrelated, I say yesterday that in a poll of Republican voters 49% of them want Huckabee to stay in the race and 40% think he should withdraw even though he has no chance to win against McCain. I don't get the logic of that except that it means McCain still has only a minority of support in the party.
No way she gets out today if she wins Ohio, because then she will want to see what happens in Pennsylvania. She could even lose Texas today and still may not concede.
__________________ Hockey's original bad boy. The "Cowboy" Howie Young
No way she gets out today if she wins Ohio, because then she will want to see what happens in Pennsylvania. She could even lose Texas today and still may not concede.
Agree that she'll have to lose them both to force her out of the race...after two or three days of 'soul searching' and 'high level deliberations.' It will take her at least that long to even locate her soul and begin to think clearly.
The deciding factor will be that she will earn the ire of Demo. leaders if she stays in too long after it's clearly a lost cause. She'll quit now instead of after Pennsylvania in the hope that Obama loses to McCain and she is well positioned to say 'I told you so' and run again in four years.
However, I don't think she'll lose both today, at least in terms of popular vote. Because of the way votes are valued in the two-stage 'primacaucus' system in Texas she could even win there in the popular vote and lose big in the delegates. In Ohio the indication is that she has remained ahead in almost all polls the whole time. Never underestimate the goofiness of a voter from southern Ohio.
Now that Clinton won both Texas and Ohio we are going to see a brokered convention, which should be very interesting. I expect Clinton will win Pennsylvania too, which will allow her to claim that she has won all the states that will be big battle ground states in November.
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Florida and Michigan moved their primaries ahead so that they would be more relevant. Now that they are talking a do-over in those states, they might get their wish. How ironic would that be? The Dem primary having to be decided in a special election in Florida.
There are a lot of problems with that because you could argue the fact that people knew it didn't count suppressed turnout and didn't give an accurate reflection.
The great irony being that despite knowing their votes didn't count, the democratic FL primary still had RECORD TURNOUT!
But you're still correct. My Aunt & Uncle in Florida, who are Obama supporters, didn't vote because they were told their votes didn't count. I'm sure they're not the only ones.
I'm cool with redoing the election if they want... but it's unfair to seat these delagates now.
KINGS17
Seat the Michigan and Florida delegates at Dem Convention?? 
