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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Another bill defeated in the Senate:
The proposal would have prevented the redeployment of active-duty troops to Iraq or Afghanistan until they had been rested at home for the same
The proposal would have prevented the redeployment of active-duty troops to Iraq or Afghanistan until they had been rested at home for the same period of time they were in the war zone. It would have mandated three times as much rest at home for Reserve and National Guard forces.
Chuck Hagel said it best:
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"The humanity of this is lost. It's unfair to continue to load this burden on the same people, deployment after deployment. Not only will you ruin your military ... but you will also have an impact on our society, because a democracy cannot continue to function when you ask 1% to make all the sacrifices and carry all the burdens."
The Republicans in the Senate mostly voted against this because it would force Bush to change his policies in Iraq. For those on this forum who claim that the Democrats and the few anti-war Repubs like Hagel aren't really doing anything to reverse the Bush policy of an open-ended or even permanent occupation of Iraq, this is incontrovertable proof you are wrong.
Bush's policy at this point has no justification beyond that of the old World War I song sung by hopeless troops in the trenches to the tune of "Auld Lang Syne": "We're here, because we're here, because we're here, because we're here...we're here, because we're here, because we're here, because we're here!"
Every soldier that dies in Iraq from Bush's last speech on, is dying for one reason only...so that Bush can hand the war off to the next president and say that he didn't withdraw from Iraq and so he can't be blaimed for 'losing' the conflict. That's absurd Orwellian reasoning, but it's compelling to Bush and conservatives who hope they'll be able to use it against the Democrats in future elections. This reasoning makes him a blatant and cynical murderer.
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Last edited by Leonidas; September 20th, 2007 at 12:23 PM.
In other words, the clever way to make it completely impractical to deploy enough troops to Iraq without a draft therefore destroying Republicans bill was defeated.
__________________ ~ No man has ever gone through life without having a scared heart.
In other words, the clever way to make it completely impractical to deploy enough troops to Iraq without a draft therefore destroying Republicans bill was defeated.
Could you repeat this one more time in English.
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In other words, the clever way to make it completely impractical to deploy enough troops to Iraq without a draft therefore destroying Republicans bill was defeated.
I'm not sure that constantly extending our troops tours in Iraq is any better, is it?
It's the same way they are handling the budget . . . exploit everything now, worry about someone else paying the price later.
In other words, the bill is a scheme to end the war. You see, we cannot maintain our troop levels if we have to keep our troops out of Iraq that long at any given time. So, to keep troop levels at their current levels, we would have to start a draft. By passing such a bill, the president would be given a choice, pull out, lower troop levels, or start a draft. All three choices would damage the Republicans a lot. That bill was a clever move at partisanship.
__________________ ~ No man has ever gone through life without having a scared heart.
In other words, the bill is a scheme to end the war. You see, we cannot maintain our troop levels if we have to keep our troops out of Iraq that long at any given time. So, to keep troop levels at their current levels, we would have to start a draft. By passing such a bill, the president would be given a choice, pull out, lower troop levels, or start a draft. All three choices would damage the Republicans a lot. That bill was a clever move at partisanship.
But isn't it a sign things aren't working the way they should be if we're having to redeploy our military over and over again without proper rest? The U.S. military is not a peacekeeping organization or an occupational police force but they are being used that way.
Bad91, You do understand that Chuck Hagel is a R, right? You do understand that the tours of these young soldiers has been extended 2 times already? You do understand that this is a great way to undermind the morale of the troops, right? Why do reps like you hate the troops so much?
But isn't it a sign things aren't working the way they should be if we're having to redeploy our military over and over again without proper rest? The U.S. military is not a peacekeeping organization or an occupational police force but they are being used that way.
Or it can also be a sign that they are doing a hard job.
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Its hard work, were making progress, Return on success...... any more talking points I missed?
Come on man! You're only scraping the surface here.
"Smoke 'em out."
"Mission Accomplished."
"Fightin' em over there, so we don't have to fight 'em over here."
"If we leave, they will follow us home."
"Fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."
BTW . . . politically, the Republicans aren't doing themselves any favors by standing behind this guy. By constantly supporting the stance of this guy in the Oval Office, it's only creating higher and higher returns for Congressional Democrats during the next cycle. It's really a "no lose" situation for Democrats, it's a shame that troops will have to suffer in the meantime.
Last edited by dgrycan; September 20th, 2007 at 02:37 PM.
Republicans Love the Troops! 
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