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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Tulsa World: Kern cites support from GOP
OKLAHOMA CITY -- A state lawmaker who declared that homosexuality is a greater threat to the United States than terrorism said Monday that
OKLAHOMA CITY -- A state lawmaker who declared that homosexuality is a greater threat to the United States than terrorism said Monday that she received a standing ovation from her fellow Republican legislators Monday.
Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said she has been barraged with more than 5,000 e-mails since she made national headlines over the weekend. Most of the communications were critical, and several contained language that Kern said she has never heard before.
The lawmaker related some of the e-mails to Republican caucus members in a closed meeting Monday. She later said the group gave her a standing ovation.
Now I'm going to link her rant to another story coming out of the Sooner State:
Kern stated in her rant: "We aren't teaching facts in our schools anymore, we're teaching indoctrination" And strangely enough, she's about to be right!
Bill promotes school religion at expense of education
Dave McNeely
Special to The Sun
EDMOND — The Oklahoma House of Representatives Education Committee has just approved House Bill 2211. The bill is expected to pass the full House, and then to go to the Senate. Its authors describe it as promoting freedom of religion in the public schools. In fact, it does the opposite.
HB 2211 is identical to bills widely introduced into state legislatures across the nation, where they have met various fates. Texas’s Legislature passed it, and Texas is experiencing serious problems as a result. Liberty Legal Institute of Plano, Texas, a group of fundamentalist Christian lawyers, drafted the bill and promoted to legislatures, including Oklahoma’s. It was not written by its Oklahoma legislative “authors.”
The bill requires public schools to guarantee students the right to express their religious viewpoints in a public forum, in class, in homework and in other ways without being penalized. If a student’s religious beliefs were in conflict with scientific theory, and the student chose to express those beliefs rather than explain the theory in response to an exam question, the student’s incorrect response would be deemed satisfactory, according to this bill.
The school would be required to reward the student with a good grade, or be considered in violation of the law. Even simple, factual information such as the age of the earth (4.65 billion years) would be subject to the student’s belief, and if the student answered 6,000 years based on his or her religious belief, the school would have to credit it as correct. Science education becomes absurd under such a situation.
Seriously. Oklahoma. WTF?
__________________ "If I could lead you into the Promised Land, I would not do it, because someone else would come along and lead you out."
Fundamentalist Christians are taking things too far and are ultimately going to lead to a huge backlash against Christianity.
Things like this are also going to lead to more Republicans losing their seats in November
Look, I may have a problem with the way evolution is educated, but that is way to far to the other extreme. Evolution is a scienticic theory. It should be taught as a theory. And the students who disagree with it should learn that there will be lots of things in life they wont agree with. But, you should learn the current scientific theories, and understand them. It may make them feel better if they remember that there have also been other theories that have turned out to be wrong.
__________________ ~ No man has ever gone through life without having a scared heart.
Look, I may have a problem with the way evolution is educated, but that is way to far to the other extreme. Evolution is a scienticic theory. It should be taught as a theory. And the students who disagree with it should learn that there will be lots of things in life they wont agree with. But, you should learn the current scientific theories, and understand them. It may make them feel better if they remember that there have also been other theories that have turned out to be wrong.
Look, I may have a problem with the way evolution is educated, but that is way to far to the other extreme. Evolution is a scienticic theory. It should be taught as a theory. And the students who disagree with it should learn that there will be lots of things in life they wont agree with. But, you should learn the current scientific theories, and understand them. It may make them feel better if they remember that there have also been other theories that have turned out to be wrong.
This being said, I must add that it is more likely that the scientific theory of gravitation will be proven wrong and replaced, than the theory of evolution.
Why should you be? I know I am cartooned as a religious right-wing zealot, but I am not. I have faith in what I believe in, and it reflects in my words and actions. In this case, free-thinking is being discouraged, and I am always against that. I think that to truely be a free thinker, that kind of thinking will, and must, sometimes hurt. I think that evolution is presented as more then a theory in school, and I oppose that, but I also oppose ignoring science that has a lot of data behind it, simply because I don't like it.
__________________ ~ No man has ever gone through life without having a scared heart.
This being said, I must add that it is more likely that the scientific theory of gravitation will be proven wrong and replaced, than the theory of evolution.
This being said, I must add that it is more likely that the scientific theory of gravitation will be proven wrong and replaced, than the theory of evolution.
I agree, but that has to do with two things. Evolution will be extremely difficult to prove or disprove, by the nature of its theory. Unless we can physically watch something evolve, it will be extremely difficult to do do that. But on gravity, as recently as last century, Newtons laws moved from being undeniable facts to Earthbound principals, by Einstein. And, even now, there are well known leaks in Einstein's theories.
__________________ ~ No man has ever gone through life without having a scared heart.
Why should you be? I know I am cartooned as a religious right-wing zealot, but I am not. I have faith in what I believe in, and it reflects in my words and actions. In this case, free-thinking is being discouraged, and I am always against that. I think that to truely be a free thinker, that kind of thinking will, and must, sometimes hurt. I think that evolution is presented as more then a theory in school, and I oppose that, but I also oppose ignoring science that has a lot of data behind it, simply because I don't like it.
From my experience Rick, you tow the party line 99% of the time. This is the first time I can recall that you disagreed here on LGK with something a Republican has done
Either way rick, It is a compliment. Roll with it
....and yes I still remember the time you accused of of attacking George Bush when I was comparing United States' atrocities (ironically all done by Democrats) to what Iraq had done in the 1990's.
From my experience Rick, you tow the party line 99% of the time. This is the first time I can recall that you disagreed here on LGK with something a Republican has done
Either way rick, It is a compliment. Roll with it
....and yes I still remember the time you accused of of attacking George Bush when I was comparing United States' atrocities (ironically all done by Democrats) to what Iraq had done in the 1990's.
I understand that, and I hear you. I tow the line because I believe it. You seem to forget my stances on both the Death Penalty and Gay Marrage. (Which can both be labled moderate to left leaning) Just pointing out that you should remember times like this when I argue what could be considered the party line. I call them as I see them, and this time I see it from the other side. (Though usually not)
__________________ ~ No man has ever gone through life without having a scared heart.
I understand that, and I hear you. I tow the line because I believe it. You seem to forget my stances on both the Death Penalty and Gay Marrage. (Which can both be labled moderate to left leaning) Just pointing out that you should remember times like this when I argue what could be considered the party line. I call them as I see them, and this time I see it from the other side. (Though usually not)
Noted
For the record, I don't think we have ever discussed the Death Penalty and Gay marriage
Evolution will be extremely difficult to prove or disprove, by the nature of its theory. Unless we can physically watch something evolve, it will be extremely difficult to do do that.
Wrong. Flu vaccinations are an excellent example of verifiable evolutionary results. The flu vaccination is different every year, because the virus is different, because the virus adapts to the previous vaccinations. Many other vaccinations follow this model.
Gene therapy, stem cell research, and other microbiological and genetic advances in recent years would not be possible without evolutionary models either.
How we understand evolution might certainly change, but the basic principles of organisms inheriting traits from ancestors and adapting to changes in their environment with the better adapted being naturally selected has been established.
As usual, your analogy of Newtonian and Einsteinian physics is flawed. Einstein might have deduced that the apple fell to earth because space is curved, but this was a causal extension of Newtonian physics, not a paradigmatic change. Before Newton, the apple fell to earth because "God did it," which, ironically, is the same lame-brained argument put for by the "intelligent" design crowd.
Newtonian physics work--the Industrial Revolution wouldn't have been possible without them. Similarly, evolution works. It's been proven. Our understanding of it might increase, but the basic principle has been established.
Ptolemy and Copernicus is another good example. Ptolemy gave us a pretty accurate picture of the galaxy with the earth at the center of it. Copernicus and Galileo came along and showed that, no, the sun is at the center. The relationship between facts changed, for the better, but the facts themselves--there is a sun out there and its movement is linked to the earth's--were established. Copernicus and Galileo simply improved upon them.
Someone will no doubt improve our understanding of evolution. There are already some interesting lines of inquiry beginning to develop, particular
Quite different from Finland--Oklahoma! 
Kingrick
