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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. McCain on hurricane Katrina:
Originally Posted by John McCain
I’ve supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy. I’ve been here to New Orleans. I’ve met
I’ve supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy. I’ve been here to New Orleans. I’ve met with people on the ground. I’ve met with the governor. I’m not familiar with exactly what you said, but I’ve been as active as anybody in efforts to restore the city.
I also voted against one of the bills that came down that was loaded with pork barrel projects that had nothing to do with New Orleans too. It had billions for projects and programs that had nothing to do with the recovery of the city of New Orleans.
Actually, John McCain voted twice to prevent any investigation of the federal
response to Katrina.
We should keep this "McCain is a lying sack megathread" going until election day as a place to just post any and all lies told by McCain and his swift boat types. We should just pile them up to keep a record, not to debate them on this particular thread. Debate the specific issues on other specific threads. In the "megathread" just put anything anyone thinks qualifies and its source without further comments and rebuttals. An uncorrected record of the proceedings so to speak.
If we do an "Obama is a lying sack megathread" too then we can do an account at the end and so who is the bigger dick, er...sack.
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We should keep this "McCain is a lying sack megathread" going until election day as a place to just post any and all lies told by McCain and his swift boat types. We should just pile them up to keep a record, not to debate them on this particular thread. Debate the specific issues on other specific threads. In the "megathread" just put anything anyone thinks qualifies and its source without further comments and rebuttals. An uncorrected record of the proceedings so to speak.
If we do an "Obama is a lying sack megathread" too then we can do an account at the end and so who is the bigger dick, er...sack.
I could be wrong here and if I am please let me know, but I seem to recall that McCain condemned the Swiftboaters and their ads.
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I could be wrong here and if I am please let me know, but I seem to recall that McCain condemned the Swiftboaters and their ads.
That's possible. I rarely post in the politics section but I'll go see if I can find an answer to that question.
That said, McCain will now have no choice but to get down in the muck and slam Obama every way he can. That is what his 'advisors' will tell him to do. He got crushed by Obama last night in his acceptance speech so if McCain goes toe to toe with Obama, he is going to get his ass handed to him. McCain's best shot at this is to go the route Bush took in 2004. Slander your opponent at all costs, or at least support those who do it for you.
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That said, McCain will now have no choice but to get down in the muck and slam Obama every way he can. That is what his 'advisors' will tell him to do. He got crushed by Obama last night in his acceptance speech so if McCain goes toe to toe with Obama, he is going to get his ass handed to him. McCain's best shot at this is to go the route Bush took in 2004. Slander your opponent at all costs, or at least support those who do it for you.
Doesn't every politician go this route to some extent?
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Awwww, how cute...everybody getting indignant over the fact that a politician twisted the truth.
You could always just hop back on your unicorns and go back to Rainbowland if it upsets you too much.
Awwww, how cute...everybody getting indignant over the fact that a politician twisted the truth.
You could always just hop back on your unicorns and go back to Rainbowland if it upsets you too much.
Twisted the truth? That's putting it lightly, no?
It never ceases to amaze me how many so-called libertarians, conservatives, and moderates come on this board to defend the Republicans by disparaging both parties. It isn't a defense. And if you truly believe that Obama is as huge a liar as "Straight Talking Maverick" McCain, then go post some examples in the "Obama is a lying Sack Megathread" and put your money where your mouth is OR shut the hell up because you know you're being disingenuous (and that's putting it lightly).
Is the discussion of the political naivete of people, both on this board and nationwide, not fit for a political forum?
Besides that, I'm smart, funny and attractive, so I get to post anywhere about anything. Now kick me down some positive karma and shut up.
You calling me politically naive chief? I'll use your bones for my bread when it comes to the political game.
It's naive to think that there is no clear choice between Obama and McCain, that both employ the same campaign strategies, or that both are lying sacks of the same caliber. That's what I'm trying to get across. Disparaging both candidates or parties on the whole equally doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense if you've been alive for the past 16 years.
Awwww, how cute...everybody getting indignant over the fact that a politician twisted the truth.
You could always just hop back on your unicorns and go back to Rainbowland if it upsets you too much.
The cynicism you express and probably imagine to be some sort of hard-headed realist position is evidence that you are too susceptible to the planned manipulation by politicians who use the tactic of the constant and big lie to lower our expectations for appraising their behavior. Cynicism is just a form of acceptance and resignation, it's not realism.
Those of us who point out lies, and analyze the purposes of lies, are not soft-headed disappointed polyannas who didn't expect to have to deal with this crap. We're dealing with it by calling it what it is and discussing what a more truthful reality would look like. We do this because lies are manipulations and we don't like being, or posturing as, some lazy and passive tool.
Clearly one of the larger purposes behind lying by public figures is to desensitize us to lying and erode our capacity to tell when it's happening and when it's not. ("What's the difference, they're all lying all the time.") That takes people out of the process and reduces the number of potential critical thinkers. It spreads stupefaction in a world that desperately needs more discerning and smart people.
The purpose of a lie is to move people to believe things on the basis of false claims and assertions. A calculated lie is the ultimate act of disrespect for others because it is an attempt to manipulate their perception of reality in an effort to take away the conditions of evidence and reason that allow true freedom of choice. That's the primary reason that lying to others, and being lied to by others, is immoral and unacceptable.
I think you and anybody else here who fancies him or her self too clever to be sucked in to caring about politics needs to get in to reasoning and arguing instead.
McCain is a Lying Sack Megathread 
BIG JOE
