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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. Originally Posted by OddManRush
There wouldn't be 40 bln in profits if Oil was nationalized simpleton.
GOLD. What else do you need know?
So do you? I don't get what you're trying to say. There wouldn't be 40 bln in profits if Oil was nationalized simpleton.
You are right. There wouldn't be $40bil in profit. There would be an additional $100bil required to operate yet another bloated bureaucracy. But that would be okay, cause the money is going to the govt.
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You are right. There wouldn't be $40bil in profit. There would be an additional $100bil required to operate yet another bloated bureaucracy. But that would be okay, cause the money is going to the govt.
No, you simply switch payrolls. Instead of Exxon-Mobil paying its employees, the government does.
Anyway, do you guys not understand the meaning of "perfect utopia"? No bloat exists in Utopia. I was speaking theoretically.
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No, you simply switch payrolls. Instead of Exxon-Mobil paying its employees, the government does.
What happens when the profit incentive and the incentive to improve and develop new products and services becomes eliminated? When the producers of a product or service no longer have a motive to expand and make production more efficient will there be more or less or said product or service?
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What happens when the profit incentive and the incentive to improve and develop new products and services becomes eliminated? When the producers of a product or service no longer have a motive to expand and make production more efficient will there be more or less or said product or service?
Ask Exxon-Mobil because I think you just unintentionally described the current situation.
According to this article, either Obama is a liar or McCain is also not in the pockets of Big Oil as the title of this thread states.
Did you actually READ the article?
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We've noted before that Obama's policy of not taking money from lobbyists is a bit of hair-splitting. It's true that he doesn't accept contributions from individuals who are registered to lobby the federal government. But he does take money from their spouses and from other individuals at firms where lobbyists work.
Can McCain say the same thing about not taking money from registered lobbyists?
Can you say exactly why the other individuals and spouses are donating to the campaign? Could them have family or friends serving in a misguiding war? Could they be pro-choice? Could the be strong supporters of environmental reform? Could the support universal healthcare?
I get really tired with people not looking at the "whole picture" on something like this. The same thing happened with Enron. The key figures donated like 2% to the Democats, and 98% to the Republicans, and the first thing we hear is "HEY!! They gave money to both parties! Nothing to see here!"
I'm going to go on record that there are people who work in the Oil and Energy sector who aren't Republicans, and I don't expect them to blindly follow what might even be in their financial future benefit at what could be seen as the detriment for the country.
Ask Exxon-Mobil because I think you just unintentionally described the current situation.
Touche, lets put it another way-You want to register your car quickly and efficiently and you can choose between the DMV and AAA. You need a package shipped and guaranteed to be delivered-do you got to the USPS or Fedex? Why do politicians from both sides of the aisle overwhelmingly send their children to private schools? Why do high ranking politicians not have to pay into Social Security and instead have their own program?
__________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."
Touche, lets put it another way-You want to register your car quickly and efficiently and you can choose between the DMV and AAA. You need a package shipped and guaranteed to be delivered-do you got to the USPS or Fedex? Why do politicians from both sides of the aisle overwhelmingly send their children to private schools? Why do high ranking politicians not have to pay into Social Security and instead have their own program?
Hoisted on his own pitard.
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Touche, lets put it another way-You want to register your car quickly and efficiently and you can choose between the DMV and AAA. You need a package shipped and guaranteed to be delivered-do you got to the USPS or Fedex?
What an empty shell argument. You know you're going the cheapest route possible first, then convience and reliability second. Which means you may end up going to AAA for your license, but you're going to use DHL over both of those carriers, and your package is going to end up in a third world country before you know it.
You can complain about horrible goverment bloat all you want, but I've shipped over 25,000 items in the last three years, and the loss/damage rate for couriers far exceeds the USPS, and for most of the time double the price.
Touche, lets put it another way-You want to register your car quickly and efficiently and you can choose between the DMV and AAA. You need a package shipped and guaranteed to be delivered-do you got to the USPS or Fedex? Why do politicians from both sides of the aisle overwhelmingly send their children to private schools? Why do high ranking politicians not have to pay into Social Security and instead have their own program?
Because ant-government Republicans don't know how to run a government? Seriously, it's like voting to make the fat guy guard the cookie jar.
Because ant-government Republicans don't know how to run a government? Seriously, it's like voting to make the fat guy guard the cookie jar.
Bingo! Republicans run on a platform that says "government doesn't work." Once in office they prove this by stripping down the government in order to prove their theory. They do this because they abide by the "privatize everything" dogma. They don't think everyone deserves healthcare. They think Social Security is an "entitlement", which they are "entitled" to because they paid into it. They want to privatize roads, state lottery systems, schools, the military, etc. Anything you can think of they want to privatize it. In the end, privatizing all of these functions just drives up costs and cost the taxpayers more while the insiders profit at our expense.
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Bingo! Republicans run on a platform that says "government doesn't work." Once in office they prove this by stripping down the government in order to prove their theory. They do this because they abide by the "privatize everything" dogma. They don't think everyone deserves healthcare. They think Social Security is an "entitlement", which they are "entitled" to because they paid into it. They want to privatize roads, state lottery systems, schools, the military, etc. Anything you can think of they want to privatize it. In the end, privatizing all of these functions just drives up costs and cost the taxpayers more while the insiders profit at our expense.
Wow. I must have slept through that whole closure of the dept of education and the dept of the interior. That whole homeland security thing must have just been a dream too. And the prescription drug plan and the expansion of medicare and no child left behind act. Guess I can expect more money in my check too since we're not paying into social security too right?
Wow. I must have slept through that whole closure of the dept of education and the dept of the interior. That whole homeland security thing must have just been a dream too. And the prescription drug plan and the expansion of medicare and no child left behind act. Guess I can expect more money in my check too since we're not paying into social security too right?
Hysterical post there by the way. . .
I think JJ messed up the joke. It's generally, "Republicans campaign on government not working, then get into office and prove themselves right."
Wow. I must have slept through that whole closure of the dept of education and the dept of the interior. That whole homeland security thing must have just been a dream too. And the prescription drug plan and the expansion of medicare and no child left behind act. Guess I can expect more money in my check too since we're not paying into social security too right?
Hysterical post there by the way. . .
Hysterical? Just stating the facts. The Republicans keep putting incompetent people in important positions. "Brownie, you're doin a heckuva job" ring a bell? The prescription drug plan in an interesting example. The Republicans held the vote open until 3: a.m. so they could twist enough arms to get that bill passed. There were pharmaceutical lobbyist on the House floor during this period. The Cons told us it would only cost about $380 Billion over ten years. After the bill becomes law they tell us it would cost about $540 Billion. Now the estimate is around $700 Billion. There is a provision in the bill that forbids Medicare from negotiating buld pricing similar to what the Veterans Adiministration has. This was a pure money grab by Big Pharma. Conservatives complain about big government, but they like it when it benefits their corporate buddies.
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