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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. The Kyl-Lieberman Amendment to the Defense Authorization Act for 2008 passed the Senate by a vote of 76 to 22 today.
The amendment was itself amended before it was passed
The Kyl-Lieberman Amendment to the Defense Authorization Act for 2008 passed the Senate by a vote of 76 to 22 today.
The amendment was itself amended before it was passed so that it isn't anymore a clear blank check for Bush to attack Iran as it was at first meant to be. However, its language can still (and almost certainly, will) be interpreted and twisted into being permission for Bush-Cheney to attack Iran. The bombing and fighting will begin and continue while those who voted for it but claim to oppose war with Iran are impotently yowling that their vote wasn't an authorization for an attack.
Too late then...What? You don't support the troops?
The Senate must now pass a resolution that says Bush cannot attack Iran without the prior specific authorization of the Senate, or Bush-Cheney will use Kyl-Lieberman to expand the Middle East War (as it will come to be called.)
My guess is that Bush will work out a deal with Israel for it to pull off an initial bombing run so that he can then follow up and claim not just that Iran is a threat to us in Iraq, but that we must also support the security of Israel. That will allow any politician or citizen who opposes a conflict with Iran to be charged with not supporting Israel as well as "the troops."
Double Demogogic Whammy!! The two most sacred cows in American electoral politics getting milked by the neo-cons in the middle of the presidential race leaving the Democratic candidates fully "cowed" again.
Candidates in the Senate voting against the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment: Biden and Dodd. Other interesting against votes include: Boxer, Hagel (R), Lugar (R), and Webb.
Candidate voting Yes for the amendment: Clinton. Other interesting yes votes include: Feinstein, Durbin, Levin, Reed(R.I.), Reid(NV.), and Schumer.
Candidates not showing up to vote, (and the only two senators who didn't vote): McCain and Obama.
Here are two pieces on the contents of Kyl-Lieberman.
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Last edited by Leonidas; September 26th, 2007 at 12:25 PM.
I don't understand what the hell is going on anymore. This is just pathetic and sad. And, makes me angry at Dem's that are approving this, directly and indirectly.
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Actually, since Lieberman is a stanch Zionist that's pretty much the same thing.
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That will allow any politician or citizen who opposes a conflict with Iran to be charged with not supporting Israel as well as "the troops."
Worse. It will allow those who oppose it to be subject to the strong Israel lobby in Washington...an implied "anti-symetic" is often attached when not supporting the Israelis.
jom
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Last edited by jom; September 26th, 2007 at 01:53 PM.
I'm sure that is certainly true but I was referring to Lieberman SPECIFICALLY.
jom
I'm really not sure what you're getting at. You equated "**** Israel" and "**** Lieberman", which are two very different statements.
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Worse. It will allow those who oppose it to be subject to the strong Israel lobby in Washington...an implied "anti-semitic" is often attached when not supporting the Israelis.
Again, there is a differentiation here. Leonidas's specific point you quoted/responed to was in regards to Israel attacking first and the U.S. hopping along with it. Of course at this point this is all speculative.
You can very easily support Israel and yet not support attacking Iran. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Last edited by Joe Hoya; September 26th, 2007 at 02:03 PM.
I'm really not sure what you're getting at. You equated "**** Israel" and "**** Lieberman", which are two very different statements.
It was a half-hearted joke...tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Liberman often seems to have the best interest of the Isrealis in mind rather than the US. Of course, some would argue that is the same thing...I don't agree but some do.
It was a half-hearted joke...tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Liberman often seems to have the best interest of the Isrealis in mind rather than the US. Of course, some would argue that is the same thing...I don't agree but some do.
jom
I don't think war with Iran is in the best interests of the Israelis either.
As someone who's been to Israel and has family and friends there, I don't particularly find the inability to distinguish one man from an entire people that amusing.
An attack on Iran should not take place without a formal declaration of war by Congress. Congress has shirked its constitutional responsibilities for too long in this matter. This BS authorizing the President to use force only divides the country.
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I don't think war with Iran is in the best interests of the Israelis either.
As someone who's been to Israel and has family and friends there, I don't particularly find the inability to distinguish one man from an entire people that amusing.
OK, then how about **** Lieberman and **** America's attachment and support of Israel?
As someone who's been to Israel and has family and friends there, I don't particularly find the inability to distinguish one man from an entire people that amusing.
Your perception of my "inability" was caused by your misunderstanding of what I was trying to convey AND my inability to explain it. Which is often a problem I have. I'm sorry you were somehow offended.
Your perception of my "inability" was caused by your misunderstanding of what I was trying to convey AND my inability to explain it. Which is often a problem I have. I'm sorry you were somehow offended.
Kyl-Lieberman Amendment=Attempt to Permit Undeclared War Against Iran 
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