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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. It seems that Joe Biden feels paying more is patriotic!
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act - Yahoo! News
For everybody but himself, that is....
Joe Biden and
Over the past ten years, Joe Biden's adjusted gross income was almost 2.5 million.
The average American contributes 2%. (For Joe Biden, this would be about $50,000 over 10 years)
Personally, I average about 8% (This would have been about $200,000 for Biden)
However, GI Joe's patriotism can be measured at less than 2 tenths of one percent.
Of course, a Biden spokesperson says he contributes in other ways, so ask yourself:
Does Joe Biden:
A) Truly give less than one tenth of that given by the average American
B) Give, but is so disorganized that he doesn't really know how much, and therefore doesn't claim it
C) Merrily skip through low income neighborhoods carelessly throwing alms to the poor from his "patriotism basket"
Last edited by salami; September 20th, 2008 at 08:04 AM.
There are people who make millions of dollars a year in places like Brentwood and Bev Hills. Nearly all of them are huge Obama supporters. You can look up doanations by zip code and in those areas 90% of the political contributions are to dems. So maybe the rich want to be "patriotic?"
Instead of rasing taxes, how about this... We make a "national endowment" where the rich can contibute more money to the government than they actually owe in taxes? In return, they get thier name on a publicized list like they do when they contribute to univeristies. The more you give, the more prominent your name is on the "List of Patriots." Steven Spielberg could give a couple million and be a member of the "Great Americans." Warren Buffet could give a couple Billion and be a member of "Circle of Honor" or some other BS name. Buffet can then feel better that he is paying more than his secretary.
There are people who make millions of dollars a year in places like Brentwood and Bev Hills. Nearly all of them are huge Obama supporters. You can look up doanations by zip code and in those areas 90% of the political contributions are to dems. So maybe the rich want to be \\"patriotic?\\"
Instead of rasing taxes, how about this... We make a \\"national endowment\\" where the rich can contibute more money to the government than they actually owe in taxes? In return, they get thier name on a publicized list like they do when they contribute to univeristies. The more you give, the more prominent your name is on the \\"List of Patriots.\\" Steven Spielberg could give a couple million and be a member of the \\"Great Americans.\\" Warren Buffet could give a couple Billion and be a member of \\"Circle of Honor\\" or some other BS name. Buffet can then feel better that he is paying more than his secretary.
You've just described the Neo-Cons wet dream of wet dreams. I think there might be some people on this forum who need to clean their computer screens.
Taxes are the responsibility of EVERY American. When debts run higher, taxes should follow suit. It's not a vicious circle as conservatives often claim. History has proven this over and over again. Trickle down economic policies do NOT and have NEVER worked. The fact that we keep telling people that they do is asanine.
There is a large segment of this country right now that needs to face their desires - if you want to fight a five year-plus war in a foreign country, and at the same time take a tax cut - you're going to have to pay the piper at some point. This is very simple basic math here, people.
The very fact that these A-holes seem fine and dandy passing this problem on to future generations for their own kicks is a crying shame, and tells me enough of what I need to know about them.
As for Biden, if he's not paying his fair share, then shame on him, too. IMO, paycuts for every elected member of Congress should be a demand all of us make immediately. They are working less for more money. They're certainly not leading by example.
Wow, you really know how to count apples and oranges don't you? The first story is about taxes, the second about charity...so how does the "For everybody but himself, that is..." line come into play?
The more patriotic line is about the wealthier americans paying more taxes (not giving to charity) under thier new tax plan, a plan that will lower the tax bill of 4 out of 5 households, but require those of us making more than 250,000 a year to pay a bit more (helping the country than has been so good to us...hense patriotic)
The second article is about Joe Biden not giving alot to charity, not that he has been skimping on his taxes. Read the actual articles instead of the headlines and you might not sound like such a brainwashed tool. Or worse you did and still tried to make it sound the way you did.
Wow, you really know how to count apples and oranges don't you? The first story is about taxes, the second about charity...so how does the \"For everybody but himself, that is...\" line come into play?
The more patriotic line is about the wealthier americans paying more taxes (not giving to charity) under thier new tax plan, a plan that will lower the tax bill of 4 out of 5 households, but require those of us making more than 250,000 a year to pay a bit more (helping the country than has been so good to us...hense patriotic)
The second article is about Joe Biden not giving alot to charity, not that he has been skimping on his taxes. Read the actual articles instead of the headlines and you might not sound like such a brainwashed tool. Or worse you did and still tried to make it sound the way you did.
Don't call names, you should know better. Act like a grown up and I'll treat you like one.
Now, it's not at all apples to oranges. It's about pulling money out of one's own pocket. He's willing to spend the money of others, but when it comes to his own discretionary spending for the greater good, he's as tight-fisted as they come. That's called hypocrisy.
By the way, don't get caught up in the hype about tax breaks for 80% of Americans. Almost 38% of Americans don't pay taxes or don't file. Under the plan of Obama and Biden, those 38% would be receiving hand-outs comprised of the increased taxes on the "rich", including small businesses. How is this not stifling capitalism?
Instead of rasing taxes, how about this... We make a \"national endowment\" where the rich can contibute more money to the government than they actually owe in taxes? In return, they get thier name on a publicized list like they do when they contribute to univeristies. The more you give, the more prominent your name is on the \"List of Patriots.\" Steven Spielberg could give a couple million and be a member of the \"Great Americans.\" Warren Buffet could give a couple Billion and be a member of \"Circle of Honor\" or some other BS name. Buffet can then feel better that he is paying more than his secretary.
That's actually a fantastic idea. Imagine how much better the place would be if the George Clooneys and Barbara Streisands paid the 50% income tax they support.
Don't call names, you should know better. Act like a grown up and I'll treat you like one.
Where did I call you names? I beleive I said "you might not sound like such a brainwashed tool", not that you are a brainwashed tool in reference to you comparing two articles about competely different topics as if they were the same thing. If I decide to call you names, you'll know directly...if you actually read what I write.
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Now, it's not at all apples to oranges. It's about pulling money out of one's own pocket. He's willing to spend the money of others, but when it comes to his own discretionary spending for the greater good, he's as tight-fisted as they come. That's called hypocrisy.
Again, you are comparing discretionary spending (giving to charity) with taxes which is certainly NOT discretionary. No where in the tax plan is there manditory donations to charity for any tax bracket.
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By the way, don't get caught up in the hype about tax breaks for 80% of Americans. Almost 38% of Americans don't pay taxes or don't file. Under the plan of Obama and Biden, those 38% would be receiving hand-outs comprised of the increased taxes on the \\\\"rich\\\\", including small businesses. How is this not stifling capitalism?
Those 38% would somehow magically pay taxes under McCain's plan? Please explain because those who don't file or simply don't have a job (hense no income) would suddenly become tax payers under McCain's plan really facintates me and could make me want to vote for him and the MILF. Fact is that the rich would pay more and poor would pay less under Obama's tax plan, under McCain's plan the rich and large corporations would continue to pay less and the middle class would continue to foot the bill for all the rich people's mistakes (see current bank bailout plans if you dont now what I'm talking about).
Anyone can spout numbers and twist them into what ever they want to say (see this thread as an example) but at least try to have them be about the same subject. i.e. post a quote about Biden saying we should be forced to give more to charity and then the article about what he actually gave. I don't beleive he has ever said such a thing, so instead you tried to manufacture hypocripsy out of nothing...nice try...next contestant please.
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Last edited by Blueline; September 20th, 2008 at 12:54 PM.
about tax breaks for 80% of Americans. Almost 38% of Americans don't pay taxes or don't file. Under the plan of Obama and Biden, those 38% would be receiving hand-outs comprised of the increased taxes on the \\\\"rich\\\\", [SIZE=\\\\"5\\\\"]including small businesses[/size]. How is this not stifling capitalism?
Dude, you'd get far more production out of your arguments if you stick with the truth and stop with the lies.
As stated by Factcheck.org:
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\\"McCain falsely claimed Obama's plan would increase taxes on 23 million small-business owners, when the vast majority of them would get a cut. Any increase would actually fall only on the most affluent, a few hundred thousand business owners.\\"
Even YOU are resorting to bald-faced lies to make your claims?
Imagine how much better the place would be if the George Clooneys and Barbara Streisands paid the 50% income tax they support.
So now you are for higher taxes for the wealthiest Americans? The confusion continues in salamiland.
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There's no confusion. Tax the wealthiest liberals.
Can anyone show me when Biden has paid more in taxes than he owes??? I didn't think so. According to Biden himself, he is not a patriot.
Any of you here that support his call for paying more taxes, actually pay more than you owe??? I didn't think so. Then according to Biden, you are not a patriot.
When will anyone that has a problem with the amount of money being spent by the current administration start calling for lowering spending? And I mean aside from what we will save by getting the troops out of Iraq.
Try to be honest with yourself. You do not care about the money that is being spent. You only care about what iit is being spent on. For some odd reason, you care about what others are paying in taxes and feel that it is not enough. You will never feel that it is enough.
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Can anyone show me when Biden has paid more in taxes than he owes??? I didn't think so. According to Biden himself, he is not a patriot.
Any of you here that support his call for paying more taxes, actually pay more than you owe??? I didn't think so. Then according to Biden, you are not a patriot.
When will anyone that has a problem with the amount of money being spent by the current administration start calling for lowering spending? And I mean aside from what we will save by getting the troops out of Iraq.
Try to be honest with yourself. You do not care about the money that is being spent. You only care about what it is being spent on. For some odd reason, you care about what others are paying in taxes and feel that it is not enough. You will never feel that it is enough.
Bjones62, I think if you were choosing three superpowers that you could have as a superhero, one of those powers would be definitely be "extreme illogic."
The issue is clearly not "paying more than you owe." The issue is raising income taxes on the wealthiest two or three percent of income earners so that the nation can begin to more edequately fund government expenditure.
It's pretty simple. Even if a good deal of discretionary spending were to be cut that amount would still only be a relative drop in the bucket in relation to expenditures and the financing of the ever growing debt.
During the Bush Administration the national debt has grown from around 4.7 trillion to (with the coming passage of the current bailout package, the war expenditures, and the tax cuts) to between 11 and 12 trillion dollars.
If Bush had demanded a pay as you go funding of the "war on terror" and his Iraq War one of two things would have happened.
salami
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