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About This Page: This is a discussion on Politics within the LetsGoKings.com forums, at Los Angeles Kings Hockey Fan Forum. But I sure as **** am not voting for Obama or Palin. McCain probably won't live 4 years if elected and the thought of President Palin is nauseating. Obama is
But I sure as **** am not voting for Obama or Palin. McCain probably won't live 4 years if elected and the thought of President Palin is nauseating. Obama is a disaster waiting to happen, picture the democratic version of Dubya. So why can't we choose our own ticket? Put Biden with McCain, and call it a day. Instead we're back to voting for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
Even though I think he is smarter than Bush (I know, not hard to do) I think he just lacks the experience and the cuthroatness needed to be president. I can't shake the thought of his presidency being very Jimmy Carter-like.
Because experience has done us so much good so far, huh?
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Even though I think he is smarter than Bush (I know, not hard to do) I think he just lacks the experience and the cuthroatness needed to be president. I can't shake the thought of his presidency being very Jimmy Carter-like.
I'm guessing there will be a large group of people just like you - they won't vote for either candidate for some of the same reasons you mentioned.
Folks concerned about the economy will lean democratic because outside of the old-timers, all they remember is that Clinton = economic prosperity.
Those that look at foreign policy / diplomatic relations as primarily the job of a VP will clearly see that Biden has the advantage there.
Palin wouldn't be as much of a liability if McCain weren't so old, and let me tell you, after the shot of McCain and Palin together last night, there isn't a soul in America who doesn't now realize just how old McCain really is. Once they make that connection and try to imagine Palin as President - most will wind up screaming in horror at that thought.
You can go down the list... ultimately the democrats have a longer list of potential advantages this election.
When experience fails as a litmus test for specific issues, then you have to look at their record of decisions when they've had to act based on limited information or gut instinct. Palin just doesn't have enough relevant experience making judgment calls that would affect Americans at a national level for us to know how she'd perform. Obama is where he is because he opposed the Iraq War from the beginning - good judgment making up for the lack of experience on one key issue Americans care about most. Palin doesn't have a comparable.
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Palin wouldn't be as much of a liability if McCain weren't so old, and let me tell you, after the shot of McCain and Palin together last night, there isn't a soul in America who doesn't now realize just how old McCain really is. Once they make that connection and try to imagine Palin as President - most will wind up screaming in horror at that thought.
Exactly. I was undecided when it came to McCain before, but now I can't really see how I can give him my vote. He had the biggest decision of his life to make and his choice was Palin??? What does that say about his decision making abilities? Even if he does think he'll live forever, he should realize we know he did have cancer already and he's 71 (and not a young 71 either), and take that into account when making his choice. Why not Romney? Lieberman? Guiliani? ANYBODY else??? The amount of dirt coming out of Alaska already shows what a dumb decision it was. I have yet to talk to one Republican who has been excited about Palin, and many have wondered if there's some way they could have a "do over."
So her speech didn't massage away any doubts about her?
I am real curious to see the VP debate. I think it'll be messy. They both have such big mouths... I mean, confidence.
I may have to find a tv so I can watch it.
So her speech didn't massage away any doubts about her?
Political speeches are a waste of time and breath IMO. Just a bunch of bull**** written by the smarter people who are behind the scenes. The debates will be much more interesting.
Even though I think he is smarter than Bush (I know, not hard to do) I think he just lacks the experience and the cuthroatness needed to be president. I can't shake the thought of his presidency being very Jimmy Carter-like.
I'd take a Carter-like presidency over the 4 year continuation of the what we have currently.
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Political speeches are a waste of time and breath IMO. Just a bunch of bull**** written by the smarter people who are behind the scenes. The debates will be much more interesting.
No way. Obama writes his own work? I mean, I can see it because he's damned comfortable, and that is so much easier when you read words you physically wrote... but really?
I'd take a Carter-like presidency over the 4 year continuation of the what we have currently.
Just wondering, how old were you during the Carter years?
They were pretty bad. High inflation, high unemployment, terrible foreign policy decisions, and his comments about the country just being in a malaise (that was very inspiring).
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I can't shake the thought of his presidency being very Jimmy Carter-like.
Well, that's an entirely different observation than saying it would be a Democratic version of Bush.
And I don't agree that Bush has been in over his head. Indeed, Bush and his cronies have accomplished exactly what they set out to do: Loot the federal treasury and give the money to the rich, and thoroughly disembowel the federal govt. by handing large chunks of it over to private, unaccountable companies so that it cannot provide the services a majority of Americans expect of it (and for which they pay their taxes)--Iraq, Health Care, Homeland Security, aid for and reconstruction of New Orleans, NCLB, etc. The list goes on and on.
This has been the right-wing ethos since Reagan, and Bush, Inc. has perfected it to a T.
I doubt Obama would follow the same course. Clinton--for better or worse--might be a more accurate analogy, IMO.
Just wondering, how old were you during the Carter years?
They were pretty bad. High inflation, high unemployment, terrible foreign policy decisions, and his comments about the country just being in a malaise (that was very inspiring).
The foreign policy decisions aside (and I agree there) but most of the problems in Carter's Presidency as you listed were created by DICK Nixon....especially the economic ones (can you say "Price Controls?"). Carter just wasn't up to the task of fixing it. This, of course, doesn't mean Obama can't but it will take some doing to avoid the same problem Carter ran into.
BTW, the reason McCain took Palin is clear: To kiss the ass of the social conservatives. If he wanted a woman with experience how about the Senator from Texas (Hutchinson) or the one from Maine? Oh...I know...they are both pro-choice. Oops...can't have that.
jom
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The foreign policy decisions aside (and I agree there) but most of the problems in Carter's Presidency as you listed were created by DICK Nixon....especially the economic ones (can you say \\"Price Controls?\\"). Carter just wasn't up to the task of fixing it. This, of course, doesn't mean Obama can't but it will take some doing to avoid the same problem Carter ran into.
jom
I'll agree with you there. As we have discussed before, I think both our fathers were pissed about the raises they missed out on due to Nixon's lame ass wage and price freeze.
But Carter didn't have a clue on how to fix the economy. It just got worse.
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I'd vote for McCain/Biden. 
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