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This means that Republicans are for a government that is bigger than the Sun.
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This whole administration has been Big Gov't. The Iraq War is just the latest example of it. Has Bush vetoed a spending bill yet?
What administration since 1929 hasn't expanded government? Not a Bush fan by any means, but seriously, all the (D) and (R) fanboys are just deluding themselves if they think there's ever been a lasting shrinkage in government size and power. The only difference between the two is what the focus of the expansion is - military vs. social services.
What administration since 1929 hasn't expanded government? Not a Bush fan by any means, but seriously, all the (D) and (R) fanboys are just deluding themselves if they think there's ever been a lasting shrinkage in government size and power. The only difference between the two is what the focus of the expansion is - military vs. social services.
Good Point.
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What administration since 1929 hasn't expanded government? Not a Bush fan by any means, but seriously, all the (D) and (R) fanboys are just deluding themselves if they think there's ever been a lasting shrinkage in government size and power. The only difference between the two is what the focus of the expansion is - military vs. social services.
You might want to take that back
First of all
Which Dept would the Dept of Homeland security fall under?
Also the last 2 Federal agencies, Homeland Security and The Department of Veterans Affairs(1998) were created by Republicans
Note that this is from 2004,
Under Bush, Federal Spending Increases at Fastest Rate in 30 Years
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Since 2001, even with record low inflation, U.S. federal spending has increased by a massive 28.8% (19.7% in real dollars)—with non-defense discretionary growth of 35.7% (25.3% in real dollars)—the highest rate of federal government growth since the presidencies of Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson. This increase has resulted in the largest budget deficits in U.S. history, an estimated $520 billion in fiscal year 2004 alone. Furthermore, the projected spending for 2005 is a conservative estimate, since it doesn’t include at least $50 billion for the 2005 cost of the Iraq occupation
President George W. Bush is now on his way to becoming the first full-term president since John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) to not veto a single bill. The result is a congress that has been completely unconstrained in satiating its appetite for pork and corporate welfare. In response, Democratic challenger John Kerry has maligned alleged spending cuts and called for even higher taxes and spending. The consequence is that we now have two parties competing to see which can grow government faster.
From the massive increases in agricultural subsidies in the farm bill of 2002, to the new Medicare prescription drug entitlement of 2003; from the 47% increase in the defense budget, to the 80% increase in education spending, George W. Bush has demonstrated that “limited government” is not part of his political vocabulary.
Note that this is from Fox News
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Overall, federal spending grew on average by 7.6 percent in each of the last two years, more than double the 3.4 percent average annual growth under the Clinton administration.
Current government spending is comparable to the guns and butter growth of the 1960s with the Great Society welfare programs and the Vietnam War, said Brian Riedl, a federal budget analyst at the Heritage Foundation (search). But while national security costs today have swelled the price of government, those costs cannot be entirely blamed for the huge additional spending.
"Vietnam and World War II were times when national security costs were much higher. Since 9/11, less than half of all new spending has had anything to do with 9/11 or the threat of new attacks," Riedl said
President Bush slipped up in his hour-long interview with NBC's Tim Russert over the weekend, claiming that the growth of discretionary federal spending has slowed markedly since he took office. But in fact, annual growth has been in double digits for the past three years, far higher than in any year of the Clinton administration.
That's an average annual growth rate of 2.4% during Clinton's eight years, compared to an average of 11.8% during Bush's first three.
Discretionary spending -- meaning spending that is subject to annual legislative appropriations, as opposed to spending for entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare -- actually grew only 5.6% in Clinton 's last budget year (fiscal year 2001, which began October 1, 2000).
Since then discretionary spending has not "steadily declined" as the President said, but has gone up. In fact, the growth has been much faster than under Clinton . In the first year for which President Bush signed the spending bills discretionary spending growth soared to 13.1%, and annual growth remained in double digits through the current fiscal year.
President Bush slipped up in his hour-long interview with NBC's Tim Russert over the weekend, claiming that the growth of discretionary federal spending has slowed markedly since he took office.
Does this qualify as "big government"? 
Mr. Irreverent
