Bush and Cheney Have Been Lying About Iran Nucs--Who Could Be Surprised?

[Leonidas]

I guess we don't need to cinch up our drawers and get ready for World War III after all! Iran hasn't had any sort of a bomb program in over four years.

Bush, of course, has been lying his ass off as usual.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,3...111322,00.html

For all of you who were so quick to jump on the "Bomb Iran" bandwagon Bush and Cheney tried to start up a few weeks ago, some questions:

When are you going to quit believing all the pro-war crap that Bush and his propogandists crank out?

When do you get embarrassed enough to question your naively held dogmas?

Why didn't the run-up to Iraq help you figure this one out?

Will reason and skepticism ever trump nationalistic tub-thumping in the US?

[Dr. Naysay]

I heard Ahmadinejad was the bomb.

[Crazy_Ivan]

Nucular, Nucular, Nucular

[Royal P.I.T.A.]

Is this the same US intelligence that told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? MOBILE weapons of mass destruction?


****ing sheeple...

EDIT: The very same US intelligence that you dumb ****s have blasted for years for doing just that? But now that the message suit your bull**** nonsense you're on the bandwagon.

Stupid ****ing sheeple...

[Joe Hoya]

[go]

Royal - The US Intelligence was cherry picked by Cheney, Rumsfield, et al. Please educate yourself on this. I believe there is a good Frontline episode on it.

[irisher]

Originally Posted by Royal P.I.T.M.F.A.

Is this the same US intelligence that told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? MOBILE weapons of mass destruction?


****ing sheeple...

EDIT: The very same US intelligence that you dumb ****s have blasted for years for doing just that? But now that the message suit your bull**** nonsense you're on the bandwagon.

Stupid ****ing sheeple...

Actually the NIE on Iraq showed significant doubt that Iraq possessed WMD, but those analysts who said so had their views buried by Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. al. This is all out there, PITA. It's public record.

EDIT: I see go beat me to it. I can understand your frustration, considering that you serve in the armed forces, but it's one of the oldest lessons of history: those in charge of the war effort, who stand the gain the most from it, are never found on the battlefield.

[Maddogg420]

Originally Posted by irisher

those in charge of the war effort, who stand the gain the most from it, are never found on the battlefield.

And rarely carry any of the risk, win or lose.

[chu gar]

Is this going to be on CNN, or Fox News for the next week or what?

[jom]

I think if you wanted to be "fair" to the President you could argue since Iran has continued to purify the uranium they could at any time just start up they weapons program. Plus the fact they've lied about these things in the past I can understand the US and the rest of the world be wary.

However, I don't see any reason why the Administration just can't come out and say THIS rather than all of the BS. This is the problem I have with those clowns in Washington. They condemn the Iranians for doing exactly the same thing we do, put out propaganda (ie lies) to our citizens in hopes of working up some sort of support for their questionable goals.

jom

[Butch 19]

Originally Posted by go

Royal - The US Intelligence was cherry picked by Cheney, Rumsfield, et al. Please educate yourself on this.

More cherry picked intel from the Commander-in-Chief:

"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for . . . it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks . . . "


Did the 98 bombing campaign end SH's stockpiles of or his capability of producing chemical and biological weapons?

"We might have gotten it all, we might have gotten half of it, we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know."

[Leonidas]

Sorry PITA. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et all cooked the books on what we new about Iraq so that Bush could push us into war.

Here's what the grown-ups think:

The National Intell Estimate just released has been held up for months while Bush and Cheney tried to get the 16 agencies to change their consensus evaluation of Iran's behavior, and make their statements fit with the administration's wished for version of things, and so manufacture a "report" usable to support Bush-Cheney's desire for attacking Iran.

The statements made by the Bush administration that Bush "just" found out about this "new" evaluation are flat out lies.

The intelligence agencies refused to doctor their findings (past a certain spinnable point) because they have institutional credibility to maintain and Congress passes their budgets.

They couldn't allow the Bush war hawks to start and blame another war on them when once again the excuses for attacking another country would be found out to be lies. There were too many people who had participated in the discussions about the content of the report, and too many who would have leaked the truth or the document itself, if the "Iran War" was started by Bush-Cheney based on their false claims.

It's time for those who joined Bush's fight (and supported his pressure for another one with Iran), to deal with the fact that they were manipulated by his lies, question how that could have happened, discard their ideological filters, and accept the difficult task of rational skepticism and the messy world it makes one deal with.

[Royal P.I.T.A.]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Sorry PITA. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et all cooked the books on what we new about Iraq so that Bush could push us into war.

Here's what the grown-ups think:

The National Intell Eval. just released has been held up for months while Bush and Cheney tried to get the 16 agencies to change their consensus evaluation of Iran's behavior, and make their statements fit with the administration's wished for version of things, and so manufacture a "report" usable to support Bush-Cheney's desire for attacking Iran.

The statements made by the Bush administration that Bush "just" found out about this "new" evaluation are flat out lies.

The intelligence agencies refused to doctor their findings (past a certain spinnable point) because they have institutional credibility to maintain and Congress passes their budgets.

They couldn't allow the Bush war hawks to start and blame another war on them when once again the excuses for attacking another country would be found out to be lies. There were too many people who had participated in the discussions about the content of the report, and too many who would have leaked the truth or the document itself, if the "Iran War" was started by Bush-Cheney based on their false claims.

It's time for those who joined Bush's fight (and supported his pressure for another one with Iran), to deal with the fact that they were manipulated by his lies, question how that could have happened, discard their ideological filters, and accept the difficult task of rational skepticism and the messy world it makes one deal with.

Against better judgement, I'll respond...

First of all, I'm thirty ****ing years old, and I've been in the Marine Corps for ten of those years. While you complain about the war(s) here, I've been off to fight in them. And if something or when something jumps off elsewhere, that fact won't change, so don't get condescending with me you little ****.

I said months ago that Iran was a smoke screen, a false alarm so to speak, so I'm not surprised to hear this...

Yet the truth is that it doesn't matter if the "books" were "cooked" then or if they're being now, most people, and yes that's to include LGK's finest political analysts, will believe what ever the **** they want to. And they'll find some justification for doing so.

Here's some food for thought in any event:

Ahmadinejad is more than a tad crazy.

He's enriching uranium.

No matter how you analyze or chop up his words, he hates... hell he hates a lot of people.

All of this equals an unstable environment where some very serious **** could go down. Ignore it all you want, play it down like that crazy ******* who has been sending people , weapons and supplies into Iraq to help the fight against us is incapable of enriching uranium for anything outside the scope of energy. Do what you do, I don't give a ****.

[OddManRush]

Originally Posted by Royal P.I.T.M.F.A.

Against better judgement, I'll respond...

First of all, I'm thirty ****ing years old, and I've been in the Marine Corps for ten of those years. While you complain about the war(s) here, I've been off to fight in them. And if something or when something jumps off elsewhere, that fact won't change, so don't get condescending with me you little ****.

I said months ago that Iran was a smoke screen, a false alarm so to speak, so I'm not surprised to hear this...

Yet the truth is that it doesn't matter if the "books" were "cooked" then or if they're being now, most people, and yes that's to include LGK's finest political analysts, will believe what ever the **** they want to. And they'll find some justification for doing so.

Here's some food for thought in any event:

Ahmadinejad is more than a tad crazy.

He's enriching uranium.

No matter how you analyze or chop up his words, he hates... hell he hates a lot of people.

All of this equals an unstable environment where some very serious **** could go down. Ignore it all you want, play it down like that crazy ******* who has been sending people , weapons and supplies into Iraq to help the fight against us is incapable of enriching uranium for anything outside the scope of energy. Do what you do, I don't give a ****.

You and BAD are unbelievable. Just admit your assumptions are wrong and move on with your life. You made a dumb post and you got blasted for it. Deal.

As for your food for thought:

Ahmadinejad is, as Jom stated previously, playing to his base in Iran. Just as politicians do in the US and every other country across the world. He is not "crazy."

There is difference between weapons grade and fuel grade uranium. And it takes years with Iran's current infrastructure to enrich fuel grade to weapons grade. Plenty of time for diplomacy.

[Royal P.I.T.A.]

Originally Posted by OddManRush

You and BAD are unbelievable. Just admit your assumptions are wrong and move on with your life. You made a dumb post and you got blasted for it. Deal.

As for your food for thought:

Ahmadinejad is, as Jom stated previously, playing to his base in Iran. Just as politicians do in the US and every other country across the world. He is not "crazy."

There is difference between weapons grade and fuel grade uranium. And it takes years with Iran's current infrastructure to enrich fuel grade to weapons grade. Plenty of time for diplomacy.

Got blasted? Making a vague attempt at being insulting by calling me a child is about what I'd expect from... a punk ass teenager. If that's what you consider blasting, fire away ****heads.

What the **** didn't you understand about:

Originally Posted by Me

I said months ago that Iran was a smoke screen, a false alarm so to speak, so I'm not surprised to hear this...

Assumptions? Honestly?

Go ahead and ask some of your like minded cohorts on this board, and they'll tell you I'm pretty middle of the road. I don't blindly support anything.

I don't recall ever stating that we needed to do a damn thing about Iran.

Ahmadinejad may very well be pandering to the crowd, but there's not a mother****er on this board that knows for sure. Like I said, down play it all you want, but I made no assumptions *******, I don't even watch the ****ing news. If it's relative to me... or even to America on a more grand scale... the government has a pretty crafty way of letting me know.

Oh, and at that, I'm all for diplomacy. You can ask around about that too.