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American allegedly spied for Israel - Security - MSNBC.com
But seriously, if the FBI uncovered an Iranian spy network stealing US nuclear weapon and defense technology secrets,
But seriously, if the FBI uncovered an Iranian spy network stealing US nuclear weapon and defense technology secrets, how long would it take Bush and Cheney's neo-cons to launch some airstrikes? What sanctions will be imposed on Israel? What pressures to get their house in order and settle the Palestinian situation will be brought to bear?
That's right, none. Our political parties only protect Israel slavishly while she does one thing after the next (including spying on our weapons systems and developing a nuclear arsenal) that makes our status among middle east nations more absurd and our actions as Israel's footman more self-destructive.
Isn't there a dignified, intelligent, humane and honest third path for the US to take?
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We would not attack Iran for them spying on us, no US sanctions and no extra pressure to settle the Palestinian situation. Did we bomb any other countries for spying on us? We spy on just about every other country friend or foe and the spy on us.
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The land of Israel/Palestine is valuable for so many (and several unknown) reasons that I think the western world wants to keep hold of it at all costs. Being in cahoots with Israel is a sure fire way for the US government to have access to whatever is there that is so damned important. Again, this land has been fought over for over thousands of years before and after the crusades, etc. Somethings up...
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Im sure the world wouldn't be thrilled if Iran obtained nuclear weapons if it did so under some guise of being a democracy but would tolerate it (see Pakistan). However, because of their continued belligerence to the western world, its made this situation a little tougher to deal with then just turn a blind eye.
As for the United States relationship with Israel, this is a relationship that has developed only recently...within the last 30-40 years. In Israel's neophyte days, their big sponsors were France & England (remember the Suez crisis in '56?). The reason the US has gotten aboard their bandwagon is three fold. First, they test many American war technologies real time. Because there always in a state of war, the US gets to see how their products work and hold up, plus our large defense contractors get guaranteed sales. Israel gets state of the art technology in dealing with their adversaries.
Second, the US is able to fight proxy wars against middle east adversaries like Hezbollah without sending a single troop. Don't think these countries hate us because of our support for Israel, it runs much deeper than that. So if we were to stop supporting Israel, its not like our problems would just disappear. By fighting this proxy war, we're able to keep the battlefields far from places like Kansas City or Jacksonville.
Third, Us foreign policy has made it integral to support democracies, no matter what the cost. Here is the one democracy in that region (save Turkey, who we also support extensively) and we have decided that its existence is vital for future generations to embrace and accept democracy. If we allow one democracy to fail, then our enemies will be emboldened to see that other democracies fail. If you think this sounds like the domino theory of the 1940's and 50's it somewhat is but do keep in mind that none of the countries that fell into communism naturally were democracies to begin with.
Basically, there is a big reason were not happy with Iran having nuclear weapons but were ok with Israel's program. Trying to compare the two is like saying why are we offering a free trade agreement to Colombia and not Venezuela?
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Second, the US is able to fight proxy wars against middle east adversaries like Hezbollah without sending a single troop. Don't think these countries hate us because of our support for Israel, it runs much deeper than that. So if we were to stop supporting Israel, its not like our problems would just disappear. By fighting this proxy war, we're able to keep the battlefields far from places like Kansas City or Jacksonville.
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Im sure the world wouldn't be thrilled if Iran obtained nuclear weapons if it did so under some guise of being a democracy but would tolerate it (see Pakistan).
Iran is far closer to a democracy than most think. That is something the clowns in the US govt fail to tell us when they whine about Iran. It certainly is much closer than many of our friends in, like you say, in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Of course, SA doesn't have nukes but Pakistan does...which IMO, makes it one of the most dangerous places in the world now.
I don't know why when the subject of our support of Israel gets brought up the suggestion of "stopping support" is always raised. The problem I've had with our relationship is the fact it's almost never DEBATED. It's almost always a "full support no matter what" kind of thing. Hell, the presidential candidates have to say that just to get elected. Do we ever hear a debate whether we are doing the right things to get Israel to do certain things? No, because when you often get labeled anti-semitic (like Jimmy Carter has). The presidential debates have all kinds of arguments back and forth on the war in Iraq or abortion. These discussions are freely debated. But the support of Israel? Never...on either side of the aisle...it's the same old "full support no matter what".
I certainly don't see any problem with supporting Israel as long as we can freely tell them to "no" on some things or "kiss our ass" occasionally. How about pulling back on some of our financial support if they don't bend in some of their policies (like the occupation of the West Bank)? Look, I'm totally behind supporting the Israeli's as long as we can discuss freely here in this country what is best of the USA in this relationship....not just bending over backwards on anything the Israeli's want.
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Do we give them everything that they want? Who would actually know this, well besides Deeker and the 9/11 commission.
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Bomb Israel's Nuclear Sites Now!! 
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